Originally Posted By: craigd
Originally Posted By: L. Brown
Originally Posted By: HomelessjOe
Originally Posted By: L. Brown
The only people responsible for terrorist acts are the terrorists who commit them, and those who provide guidance, direct support, and training to the terrorists. Blaming all Muslims for terrorist acts committed by Islamist terrorists is like blaming all Catholics for the acts of pedophile priests.
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I hear the same thing about what Muslims condone and promote and reward, Joe. Yet after an attack like in Paris or Brussels, all I have to do is google "Muslims condemn Paris attack"--and I get a whole bunch of hits. And remember--just in case you haven't seen a very good movie called "Spotlight"--that the hierarchy of the Catholic Church covered up all that sexual abuse for a very long time. They'd put a priest on sick leave . . . then he'd show up in another parish.

But since you raised the issue of Muslim terrorists . . . did you know....

So Larry, if 'intel' gets us into a multi trillion dollar war, are you saying we can take it out of your paycheck?

Which is it? Are there pedophiles, and those who contribute 'direct support', or are all Catholics being punished in the pocket book and loss of community services because the whole organization is 'blamed' in the form of a crippling financial burden? I suppose there's a third choice, did it come out on dvd?

Are you supposed to use the phrase 'Islamist terrorists'?

What if hundreds of millions of dollars of financial support, and some manpower, for international radical islamic terrorism came out of a handful of US cities and counties. Is that 'direct support', maybe 'guidance'? Why can't we apply the Catholic corollary, and impose a punitive financial burden on all members of a faith for the transgressions of a few, the muslims? Hey, maybe a little financial arm twisting would fix the problem when the sharia police get hit in the wallet.

Do you think sometimes your logic only fits which way the wind is blowing in your neck of the woods at the moment? And about those ducks, last word.


Craig, "intel" doesn't get us into anything. The Director of National Intelligence and the Directors of the CIA, NSA, DIA, Homeland Security, FBI etc do not make policy. (All they do is provide information to policymakers.) That's the President's job, with the approval of Congress (at least in some cases). Obama, for example, made much of the fact that he voted against the war in Iraq, while Hillary voted for it. So President Bush (who never dodged responsibility for the Iraq War, by the way) and those members of Congress who voted to give him the authority to take us to war are the ones who got us into that war. Obama got us out . . . some would say too quickly, since we're now getting back in. Some would say that if we had left a few thousand troops in place, ISIS never would have taken ground in Iraq like they did.

Are we "supposed to use the phrase 'Islamist terrorist'"? I do, Craig--because I find it to be quite accurate. I see no reason not to use it. How about you?

You have sources on hundreds of millions of dollars supporting Islamist terrorism coming from American Muslims, Craig? I'd be interested in seeing those. You do know that supporting terrorism is a crime, right? And there are people who have been charged and convicted of doing so. Currently serving prison sentences. And if Muslims in this country are supporting Islamist terrorism, they aren't doing a very good job of getting anything started in this country. As I pointed out to Joe, fewer Americans killed by Muslims in this country since 9/11 than by the Sandy Hook and VA Tech school shooters. Probably fewer than a couple bad weekends in Chicago, for that matter. Given millions of American Muslims and hundreds of millions of non-Muslim Americans, I'd say not a whole lot happening. ISIS is certainly trying to stir up trouble, and they're more effective on social media than Bin Laden was. It's a threat we need to be aware of--and are aware of. But it also needs to be viewed in perspective.

So no apology for misquoting me on ducks? You're a stand-up guy, Craig.