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Last Dollar, since you think that MANY people on this forum think this election is about the 2nd Amendment, it ought to be easy for you to name even ONE who has made such a claim. You should know we spent a lot of time in the former Misfires discussing the failures of the Obama administration including the economy, unemployment, race relations, illegal immigration, foreign policy, etc., because criticism of him drove you nuts. And you never liked any 2nd Amendment discussions, no matter how civil they were, and even when they occurred in Misfires. But since this isn't a Stamp Collecting forum, it isn't odd that many of us are concerned about the ongoing Liberal Left Democrat assault on our gun rights that Hillary promises to only increase. What is odd is that it bothers you so much even though nobody forces you to even look at it.

This is as ridiculous as Larry's claim that the 2A crowd has totally disregarded Trump's past anti-gun ideas... which are not even close to those of Obama or Hillary Clinton.

And I hardly know where to begin with a guy who seems far more concerned with Trump being kind of obsessive about his finger length versus Hillary Clinton who tells lies more naturally than most people breathe.

Speaking of Presidential obsessions, John Quincy Adams liked to skinny dip, Ronald Reagan was obsessed with jelly beans, Jimmy Carter repeatedly claimed he saw a UFO, and Lyndon Johnson was obsessed with his Johnson. Just Google "President Johnson obsession with penis" and see what results you get. Then Google "Obama man's country" to understand Obama's obsession with LGBT rights, after he lied when he campaigned on the idea that marriage is between a man and a woman.

Those were just 2 of MANY examples of Trump's immaturity and narcissism that disqualify him temperamentally for the job of Commander-in-Chief. Point is that for Trump, what are trivial slights for a grownup man become personally paramount. Has nothing to do with his fingers or any other president's harmless peccadillos.

I offered these as merely the icing on a disgusting cake. Many choose to ignore dimwit responses to basic policy questions and mountains of evidence of dishonesty. I didn't expect that calling out foolishly (and dangerously) childish obsession with the mildest criticism to the mix would change anyone's mind. JR asked me a question -- just gave my answer is all.

Jay

See Kagan's op-ed Washington Post May 16 "How fascism comes to America." Trump owes the Republican party nothing. Taking him at his word, his presidency would makes gun rights, the Second, liberty and freedoms, what he says. Look who's lining up behind him.

Fixed King's link for him:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/...33e7_story.html

Of course, in the left's view, Hitler's facism was on the right. I say Hitler belongs in the left side of the spectrum, somewhere between the socialists and communists, about in the middle of those two categories. Before Hitler started the war he instituted cradle to grave health care and outlawed rents and interest. In the the Third Reich the citizen served the state. Hitler's only conservative trait was nationalism.

King and the liberals think Hitler's racism place him on our side of the aisle. The treatment of Jews in Communist Russia and the antisemitism of the current elitist European left give that the lie too.

The left's favorite smear is to call the Republican candidate a fascist. Google up "Reagan fasicsm".

http://cnsnews.com/mrctv-blog/michael-w-chapman/ronald-reagan-fascism-isn-t-liberal-philosophy

http://www.smartertimes.com/240/reagan-the-fascist#

Jay, while I respect your opinion about Trump, I have to disagree. Trump is as imperfect as most others.

A very good case could be made that Obama is temperamentally unable to execute properly the office of President. Over 7 1/2 years he has shown a level of laziness in office rarely seen before as well as a complete inability for forge a working relationship with anyone but those in lockstep with his agenda.

Bill Clinton, it could be argued, had a fatal flaw in his focus on dalliances with whatever woman crossed his path, as well as a remarkable fluidity with truth, even for a politician. His ill-advised policies regarding banking and mortgages led directly to the world wide financial melt down of 2007/2008.

All Presidents are unknown quantities until they step into the Oval Office. There is no previous job experience that tells us for sure how they will behave, how well they do. It is hard to imagine electing a President with a thinner job resume, and less public knowledge about who he was and how he would behave than Obama. Yet America did it. And I'm hard pressed to imagine how Trump could be worse.

As for why to vote for Trump? I wish I could for the exact reasons laid out by John Roberts a few posts above this.

Mike, thanks for the link. No, I admire Americans too much to contemplate their choosing Trump's brand of fascism over the distinguished values of the Grand Old Party. No American will ever have to say to the world we took the party and country down to stick out our tongues at Washington.

King, if Trump is a fascist then H. Clinton is a communist.

Of course, neither are either.

http://www.nysun.com/national/fears-of-trump-as-fascist-echo-similar-warnings/89476/

Trump spoke to the Vermont NRA:

http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/05/19/donald-trump-checks-in-with-the-n-r-a/?src=twr

I withhold judgment over the elected and electorate of Canada and wish a friends aboard would keep their noses out of our politics.

That said King you can say what you wish and I will note as a foreign political opinion to which I need pay little attention. No different than what should be done with mine on your elections up there.

I do note that the desire to stick it to Washington and elected officials who have turned out to be two faced, unproductive, or outright liars in general is strong where I live. Electing traditional republicans has failed to deliver.

So it comes to this? Trump is good enough because he's no less qualified than Obama?? Could the bar be any lower? I can no more vote for Trump than I could have voted Obama.

As for the temperaments of other presidents, Trump's issues are in a whole other category. IMO, a man of such deep narcissism and hair-trigger judgment, whose incapacitated brain helplessly obsesses over trivial personal offense, is a dangerous risk as Commander-in-Chief in ways that make other presidents' temperament issues seem inconsequential.

I can't agree that all presidents are unknown quantities until they take office -- there's plenty known of them. Of course we can't know for sure what they'll do beforehand, but that's hardly an argument for ignoring red flags in what we do know of a candidate.

Jay