I agree with RocDoc. Easy to knock preserves when you live where there is plenty of open ground, free hunting, and wild birds. Alas, 40 years ago my brother-in-law and I hunted the environs of Naperville and have never had it so good. My dear brother-in-law has passed on thanks to Vietnam, and so have the open lands we once knew. I belong to a club that releases pen raised birds, quail, chukars, and pheasants, and at least the doves we shoot are wild. Do I prefer wild birds? Hell yes! And did I love those great days with Herbie in the great farms we hunted. Hell yes! It's a shame we can't have both of them back. I'm with ya, RocDoc! Chopper