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Larry, I suspect if we got into the Way Back Machine and set it to 1979, we would find many, many articles and columns by the MSM and by the Democratic faithful espousing the view that Reagan is nothing more than a good photo op and sound bite.....with no real, sensible plans for anything. Just as they are doing now with Trump.

Trump has good ideas that are causing him to be viewed as simplistic and worse.

A moratorium on Islamic immigration until your vetting system can be assessed and improved where necessary. What is wrong with that? Is that really racist given what has been going on for 20 years or is it being framed that way by the press and talking heads?

Addressing in a real way the crisis of illegal immigration. What is wrong with that? Is that really racist given what has been going on for 20 years or is it being framed that way by the press and talking heads?

Examining your free trade agreements? What is wrong with that? Is that really economically foolish given what has been going on for 20 years or is it being framed that way by the press and talking heads?

Side note: I have been a strong supporter of Free Trade around the world for the last 25 years but I'm starting to question my own blind allegiance to the concept. On the plus side, it has destroyed the private sector unions in NA as a serious force especially in the auto sector. But are the job losses worth it? IMHO we were insane to sign an agreement with a country like Mexico without some kind of mechanism that levels the playing field regarding cost of living. It is undeniable that it is the dramatically lower cost of living in Mexico (and other countries like China, Viet Nam, India etc) that forms the basis for their ability to compete with so much lower wages. I support free trade between countries that are competing on the same basis. As Trump come out and says, we have been badly out-negotiated on these trade deals.

If someone could explain to me how an American worker is supposed to produce a product at a competitive wage when compared to a Chinese worker whose coast of living is a small fraction of ours here in America then maybe I might be more open to free trade. A fiasco of the biggest proportion, started under Bush 41 and expanded by every POUS since. I hardly agree with everything Trump says but he is 100% right in that we got screwed on those trade deals.

It started under William Jefferson Clinton with NAFTA. Remember Ross Perot?

The US Chamber of Commerce promoted free trade through the Republicans.

The Democrats realized they could help poor people all over the world without their constituents realizing what was going on. And they were right with the exception of a few unions.

There is nothing Democrats like better than helping poor people all over the world. They are internationalists. I want a President that will put citizens first, the rest of the world second.

No Mike,
it was SIGNED under Clinton, Bush 41 negotiated the deal during his term and Clinton got it through. Credit where credit is due.....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Free_Trade_Agreement

added a link showing a nice picture of the proud parties signing things.....

No signeeee, No NAFTA.

Credit where it is due.....both parties own this mess. No Negotiation under Bush 41....No NAFTA

US-Canada Free Trade deal reached in fall of 1987 and signed January 1988.

NAFTA deal reached at the end of 1992 and came into effect in January 1994.

"Clinton signed it into law on December 8, 1993; the agreement went into effect on January 1, 1994.[7][8] Clinton, while signing the NAFTA bill, stated that 'NAFTA means jobs. American jobs, and good-paying American jobs. If I didn't believe that, I wouldn't support this agreement."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Free_Trade_Agreement

Now Mike quit taking the credit away from Bush 41....read the Wiki article. He clearly worked very hard to push forward his ideas....
you might not like it but Bush 41 was the driving force behind NAFTA and old Slick Willie just hammered in the final nail with a smile. Both parties can claim what a wonderful job they did destabilizing our economy and turning the middle class into paupers. They both should be proud.

I think I edited this in after you read my post.