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I'm glad you understand where the problem lies.

It's also interesting that the majority of our conservative members who are favouring Trump are in lock-step with socialist Sanders' liberals who say it's all about money/inequality and we're not taking it anymore.

The only thing I don't understand is favouring Trump "because he isn't a politician." If you need an electrician, why call a plumber? What isn't in doubt is outliers Trump and Sanders are finally collectively speaking truths to Establishments.

For all the republic's acclaimed checks and balances which made surpassingly dysfunctional governance, liberal and conservative Mr. and Mrs. America have been forced to take national issues in their own hands. God bless them.

The Republicans sold the middle class out to the U.S. chamber of Commerce.

The Democrats sold the blue collar middle class out to international do-gooding.

We don't need a plumber, electrician, or politician. We need a house cleaner. Trump may not be him but Crooked Clinton is definitely not going to clean house.

canvasback, I try my best to judge them all the same. I think I watched every Republican debate. We got first crack at the whole bunch here in Iowa. Trump started off on the wrong foot. The Des Moines Register--the closest thing we have to a newspaper with significant statewide interest--was covering all the candidates, reporting on their events, etc. Then the paper wrote an editorial suggesting that Trump should drop out. They didn't think he would make a good president. After which Trump pulled their press credentials. No more Register reporters at his events; therefore, no more Register coverage of his events. So, if he's elected president and he tosses out every journalist who ever says anything negative about him, pretty soon he's going to be holding pretty small press conferences. And those tactics sound a lot more like Putin than the POTUS.

Immigration, in specific: I listened to everybody's plan. Details to follow? When? Everybody else had more details than Trump. "Details to follow" means "I didn't do my homework and I'm not really ready to discuss the subject." I'd rather hear at least a FEW details. You know, the more important ones.

Stopping Muslim immigration until better vetting and controls are in place . . . If a Muslim has been working with our troops or the CIA etc in Afghanistan or Iraq, thereby putting his life at risk (and his family as well) and if the military or the CIA says "This guy deserves a visa!", I'd say you're not going to get much better vetting than that. I was part of the Libya Taskforce at CIA, straight out of training in 1969, shortly after Qadhafi took over. We had locals there we knew would be in trouble if we didn't get them out. And we did. Seems to me the American thing to do. I know military and intel people who served in Vietnam and Laos, and who were very upset because we left behind a lot of our allies.

Trump needs money so badly that he has to have a line of clothing made overseas? How about jump-starting the industry in this country and proudly announcing that the clothing is "100% American made"? I expect some folks here would go for that kind of sales pitch. Personally, I get nervous around a businessman who compromises his principles because "it's just business, after all". Politicians compromise their positions and we don't seem to cut them much slack. Why give businessmen a free ride? And what's to say that Trump won't compromise principles in politics, as he has in business? Unlike everyone else in the race (except Carson), he has no political record for us to go on . . . so we have to look at his business record.

No, Clinton will not clean house. I said here from the beginning that she was untrustworthy in that respect. Under the US system, don't look for anyone or any party to clean up anything. A parliamentary system perhaps. Here, the party winning a mandate is expected to do what it promised. But everyone lies.

Don't worry tut, after guys like Larry Clown work real hard to get Hillary Clinton elected by continually bashing the only pro-gun candidate, she will give those poor hard working illegals legal status.

Then in less than a generation, they too will learn that it is easier to take government freebies than it is to cut grass and do menial unskilled labor. There is a reason why illegals are lining up to work and black youth unemployment is 51%, according to Bernie Sanders. Politifact rates that number as mostly true. Socialists like Bernie would make matters only worse by legitimizing open borders and giving away even more freebies until we became another Venezuela.



Then we have Larry Clown's older brother King adding his two Canadian cents to denigrate Trump. King says, "If you need an electrician, why call a plumber?" I would ask, If you need a pro-gun Conservative, why would you vote for or support an extreme anti-gun Socialist?

Answer: Because Anti-Gun Liberal Leftists are the type of politician King always supports and defends. It's always entertaining and instructive when a self-professed Atheist invokes the name of God or Jesus too!

If you try to judge them all the same, can I assume by quote, that comparing the candidate to putin is meant to be derogatory?

The current president did exactly the same thing when he was a candidate. I'll stand corrected, but I can not recall that action being criticized by you. What might not be overlooked, is that you found a mainstream media outlet that had a criticism of the candidate. The current president was not generally 'vetted' by the media when he was a candidate.

Maybe the best 'qualification' Trump has is that so far he has not been able to be borked. If you are an issues person, it's been mentioned before that his website and book that came out last fall go into much more detail than we might generally be lead to believe. Any candidate of any stripe that tries to get media folks or followers at home to sit and digest 'details' is long gone at this point. Unfortunately, it's a small choir that's engaged in the issues.

I guess you missed the "if" in the quote about Putin, Craig. In this case, a double "if": IF he's elected, and IF he tosses out journalists who write negative things about him. So . . . he has to be elected, and then he has to start tossing journalists out of his press conferences. At which point . . . yes, I believe a comparison to Putin would be valid.

You'll have to remind me about Obama telling his campaign to pull the press credentials from media outlets that have criticized him. Which campaign? Which media outlet(s)?

I don't mind listening to intelligent debates on the issues. I guess that bothers some people, in our increasingly "sound bite" society. I go back far enough to remember Nixon and JFK debating the "missile gap". And I certainly remember Romney trying to tag Obama on Benghazi . . . and shamefully being shot down by a debate "moderator" who injected herself into the discussion rather than playing neutral judge.

The Des Moines Register invited every presidential candidate, from both parties, to meet with their editorial board to discuss their positions on the issues. Most took them up on it. Given our first in the nation caucuses, most of them spent a fair amount of time here, so it wasn't like they didn't have an opportunity.

I wish it were a much bigger choir engaged in the issues. I'll take knowledgeable voters over sound bite voters every day of the week.

From Holloween '08, you may be able to find that the Washington Times, New York Post, and the Dallas Morning News had reporters kicked off the travelling campaign jet.

The reason given, not enough seats on the jet. All three papers claimed it was retaliation for editorial endorsement of McCain. I hoped you asked with a genuine motivation, because while it is what it is, I can not find any court rulings or congress passed legislation to support this thought. I hope you don't view it as a waste of time.

In my opinion, at this stage, to not support Trump is to support the status quo.