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Deleted because of a sentence that did not make sense. Sorry.
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Immediately postwar, there were no trap guns, except 30" tight choked guns that were indistinguishable from field guns and had standard forends. With the resumption of Superposed production after WW-II the Trap Model was the 30" Standard weight 12-gauge gun and it had a stock a bit longer and 5/8 inch straighter then the stocks that came on the 26.5" Lightning Model and the 28" Field Model.
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The early postwar 30" trap model that Reseacher points out would also be a real prize. It would be identical to the gun that came shortly after, except that Researcher's 30" gun would have a standard forend.
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What you should know too is that those things have usually been shot loose and really were/are not up to volume shooting. The ejectors in particular are prone to wear to almost unusable states. I had a Broadway that was in fairly tight condition when I got it and even with the best of care I watched it wear out. Of course, I was shooting it not just SWIG'ing. If you are interested in a QUALITY gun from that era you would prolly find considerably more happiness with a Beretta at any desired level/grade. Particularly if you plan to actually use the gun.
At a purely subjective level I always found any of the old Brownings to have a sorta klunky feel. And that deep slab sided action is just bordering, OK it's past, ugly compared to the Italian guns.
have another day Dr.WtS
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A couple of amendments. First, "trap" models started with the first 2000 postwar guns (serial over 17000). They differed from other supers in two ways. First, they had a straighter stock. Second, they had 30" barrels with ventilated ribs. Until the magnum model was introduced in about 1955, only the trap model had a 30" ventilated rib barrel. Field models could be had with 30" solid rib barrels. About 1953 the trap model added a larger "beavertail" fore end. That continued until about 1960 or 61 when the trap model only added a square knob (a year or two later it was added to skeet models). The BroadWay came out in 1962, and for the first time after WWII 32" barrels were available, but only on the BroadWay. Probably the best craftsmanship on Supers is on models from about 1954 to 1962. I would not worry a lot about a gun that is somewhat loose. It is about a $300 fix to weld and fit the locking lug. Usually needed somewhere between 50,000 and 100,000 rounds. I would worry about a loose rib. Many seperate, and it is a $700 fix to remove, resolder, and reblue the gun. Watch out for a used gun which someone has tried to reblue with superglue, exposy or by soldering without removing the entire rib.
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Long range,
I love the Leica rangefinders, are they both 3F's?
I started out with my Grandfather's 3F, it is a beautifully made camera and it takes spectacular photos.
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Dave, (Long Range), yours is one of the very scarce first variation postwar with field forend and hard butt. My favorite is the next variation with beavertail and hard butt. I bought my mint example from Smiling Gary S. at a York, PA show four or five years ago. I hadn't seen one in decades. I haven't seen one like Dave's since they were in production. Surviving hard butt traps are scarce, scarce, scarce.
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Redoak: Yes the crome camera is a 111F Model Made in 1952. I keep a wide angle lens on this camera, the 3F did shoot the first two photos in my post.. The Black camera is a pre war 1938 model 2A Leica. I keep a post war F2 Summicron lens on this camera. This is the camera that shot the serial # photo. I sent them both to a man in New York 20 years ago for service, and they just keep on working. No problem to get film today, however Development is going the way of the buffalo. Nice lady in the local photo club develops and prints the film for me. She likes to smoke ducks and we sorta work on the barter system. That is what keeps me and the old leica's in operation. New modern photo stuff is much better but not as much fun.. I guess Old leica's are a lot like old double guns.. thanks for your comment. David
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