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Seems to me there is no solution to the violence, gun and otherwise. It doesnt matter what laws they make. Its impossible to hire enough cops, agents, spies, lawyers, judges, and analysts to control a the public. In a healthy society the public requires little control.

I keep hearing leftists screeching that civilians have no business possessing military rifles. Actually, in a decent society, it wouldnt be a problem at all.

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Mike, I have argued the Second is not an inalienable right and/or what some others claim it is, and the evidence is there for all to see. It touches daily on those claimed 20,000 laws and state, municipal etc legislation. To say that doesn't suppress anyone or anything. Your opinion of Canada's constitution or gun legislation can't suppress, either. Suppress means to put and end to or restrain. How could I do that? Your Supreme Court, yes. Not me.

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Originally Posted By: King Brown
My opinions aren't to suppress your rights. I couldn't do that even if I wanted to. There's no changing minds on this mostly conservative board, anyway.

My NRA dissent had nothing to do with its security recommendations. It was its declaration barely after the blood dried that the US needs more guns....

If memory serves, or better yet search prowess prevails, can't we remember that the NRA responded a week later, after coordinated demonizing for remaining guiltily silent? Not only was blood dry, but the buckets and mops stowed away for the next opportunity. Hmmm, that's nearly as heartless as politicizing opportunity.

If only this admin couda overcame it's hatred and intolerance of folks with good ideas, and stuck a few armed guards in inner city chic. highschools. We don't do reportable school shootings there, but think of all the kids, since Sandy Hook, that could have excelled in a safer learning environment and would today be contributing, productive adults.

You may not think you can suppress, but it wouldn't be for lack of trying, would it?

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"You may not think you can suppress, but it wouldn't be for lack of trying, would it?"

Answer: I have no interest in frivolous things. Trying to end constitutional rights is one of them. Forget "if only this admin couda overcame."

See RyanF above.

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King, for the third time, I stated that you are for suppression of our Second Amendment rights. I didn't argue that you can suppress those rights. The fact that you can't suppress doesn't contradict the fact that you are for suppression.



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Originally Posted By: King Brown
Your comments are appreciated as usual. What the constitution is designed to do and does are common discourse in your country as they are in others, and for supreme courts to interpret and adjudicate, not always with compliance.

The long struggle for constitutionally provided rights for blacks and Guantanamo come to mind. Successive presidents abuse constitutional rights despite the courts. States changed their laws at point of a federal bayonet.

As for lying, your presidential aspirants lie consistently, and for all its errors in reporting history on the fly, your national newspaper of record, The New York Times, is recognized as one of the greatest newspapers in the world.

Its major role in defying federal laws to publish the truth and remove the curse of the Vietnam war---possibly saving the lives of those who served with you---was a singular victory in the public interest everywhere.


No country in the world has stood for freedom as effectively as the US. No country in the world is making the actual level of commitment for it still.

Is our history punctuated with failings, yes. We inherited slavery from the British and failed to buy it out like they did enriching the slave owning class to end that evil. Note the buy down was the single greatest handout of taxpayer dollars in British history. We instead fought a very bloody war and resolved it in part and 100 years continued to fix the unfinished business of equal rights and protections.

No nation is without some action it regrets or growth in its world view. No nation is without issues, even your own

The only problem with Guantanamo is that we did not immediately either prosecute them as saboteurs as they failed to wear a proper uniform on the battlefield and if found guilty execute them or treat them as prisoners of war straight up and as long as the war on terror is unresolved permanently held them until their side actually ceased hostilities in every way (likely life sentence as they will never give up).

I am not to keen on the previous administration, much less so the current administration policies reference the prisoners from the battlefield (which is really anywhere in the world as it is a global war which the terrorist play without respect to any rules of war). Unlike many have have personal experience of Abu Gharib and the challenges and failures in leadership there. Still regardless of the things done wrong, we could not in our worse actions parallel the actions of our opponents (not that I want to be compared toy Islamic terrorism standards of misconduct)

We are dealing with an opponent who will not play by civilized rules. We have little option but to execute the guilty and incarcerate forever those who cannot be turned.

For our presidential candidates I care to make no defense except to say their ours for better and the worse, and sickened though I maybe, our system will give us the choice of two _____

The lack of perfection on candidates' part does not immunize the NYT for a carte blanche ends justifies the means level of intellectual rot. Saying that while they lied too is a pitiable defense and unworthy.

As a journalist I know that you espouse that papers should pursue stories honestly and layout an honest depiction.

As for Viet Nam, my father did two tours while leftist in the NYT and along the coast worked overtime to sell out to the communist who in the end did exactly as predicted in terms of oppression and human rights violations. The killing fields of Cambodia are a great example of progressive ideology amuck. Just as modern Cuba and Venezuela are today.

I cannot say much for Nixon, no one in my family ever voted for the fellow, but I have no doubt the ultimate American policy aims to hold back the spread of communism was both true and good.

The totalitarian communist/socialist philosophies espoused by our opponents and their fellow traveler co-conspirators and or willing dupes are a threat that has not disappeared. It is unfortunately embodied by in the modern Democrat party. Hilary and her it takes a village commune makes me puke as the bait and switch is in the detail.

I honestly believe the modern liberals(progressives) do not actually care about American lives as their primary motivation (save for the dupes) I believe it is only a vehicle to get them elected. Disarming the public is important side benefit as well because to them an armed populous is harder to control. If American lives were primary, why ignore the human cost to American citizens of illegal immigrant caused deaths? Why double the national debt mortgaging our children's future?

Why continually centralize the control and influence of the lives of Americans with policies originated in the halls of bureaucratic Washington. Say school lunch and bathroom policies, say Water of the US Policy, putting everyday water use on even the smallest plots away from major tributaries under the EPA. I could go on but that party wants to run my life because it knows better. If they want to destroy California and the voters let them fine (it is sad and the diaspora of dupes to other places like Colorado, Montana, and Oregon bites) I want less Washington, not more.

I grew up in the suburbs of DC long enough to know they don't know.

I curse the miserable Jane Fonda like lefties who acted as shills and willing dupes. I curse more the dupes of today.


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Originally Posted By: King Brown
....I have no interest in frivolous things....

...See RyanF above.

I probably missed it. Is Ryan president or wanna be pres? I'm really not so interested in what the choir feels about the undemocratic. The issue is what the undemocratic force on to the choir. If I don't make you show an ID, can we agree vote on it?

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Originally Posted By: King Brown
It is a liberal newspaper, and it reflects a liberal bias, true. Journalism attracts liberals in the same way of surpassing and surprising support of young people for Sanders and Trump, tired of being lied to by both parties to get them to vote against their interests. Liberalism seems to be in ascendancy and the NYT only reflects it.


I agree you have accurately identified the liberal bias of the NYT. Further I agree that journalism attracts liberals too. I might add that it attracts liberals who want to use their profession to bring about what they believe is positive change.

What bugs me is the journal pretend a moral duty of the truth when in reality it is not even close to true. It is the lack of intellectual honesty that offends me to the core.

A third point we agree on is that both Trump and Bernie are the result of a frustrated electorate with the party status quo. It is a poor commentary on our current state of politics that they were the two outsiders options that are most prominent.

A fourth point which I agree in part is that liberalism seems to be in ascendancy. The wonderful white lies of communism/socialism are sugar compared to actual hard work, personal discipline and perseverance. Blaming the other guy (Hitler, National Socialism - Bernie Democrat Socialism) works for demagogues.

Ask the Greeks and Venezuelans how the promises of socialism turned out. The reality is sooner or later you run out of other people's money.

Bad leaders will never run out of people to blame for the problem to motivate their voters. Both sides find their bogeymen to motivate the uncommitted into fear or hatred.

A reasonably insured Capitalist system sucks, but it sucks less then the other options.

Representative Democracy sucks, but it sucks less then the other options.


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The Wall Street Journal published an article that reports that the Federal government has spent 1.3 Billion on arms and ammunition for NON defense agencies. The I.R.S. bought 11 million dollars worth ($5000) per agent. The E.P.A. bought 3.1 million $ and an agency, I never heard of, called the Animal and Plant Inspection Agency spent 3 million $. I am fairly certain this would be semi or full auto stuff. Of course the Federal government is more trustworthy than it's citizens. When I hear Mrs. Clinton speak on the subject of gun control it somehow sounds to me like she is saying "trust me to be your president because I appropriately don't trust you and therefore you will be safe". I admit to all my biases too. I can't help but think that somewhere their must be a formula where I can plug in the appropriate data to determine the validity of certain arguments made on this issue. I just can't understand the word "discrimination". We have Gay,Lesbian,Bi rights, illegal aliens that should be given citizenship, Muslims who should be brought into the country and then we have this guy who pledges allegiance to ISIS, is a closet homosexual who killed 49 people in a "Gay" nightclub and even though I am straight, a Christian in process, and haven't killed anyone or own a "assault rifle ,it is somehow good to infringe on my rights as though I am about to do something wrong? "Trust me, vote for me, because I don't trust you" That is what I hear them saying!? Oh! Most people don't think government listens to us now! What would it take to lose the first amendment?

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