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Don't know about the second shooting, but the report I read about the incident in Louisiana was that the police had been dispatched to this location because it had been reported this guy had just threatened someone there with his gun; and although the courts/Department of Justice will determine if the cops involved should be punished, the reason the guy got shot was because he failed to comply with the instructions of those officers and resisted arrest. If events go as usual, race hustlers Al S. and Jesse J. will be there to get their TV face time leading protests, rabble rousers will loot and burn businesses and destroy lives and jobs with no regard for long term consequences to the neighborhood, democrat politicians will show up and take advantage of the tragedy as a means to secure their voting base; while in the end the already existing distrust and hate will intensify and the problem will worsen.
As to police shootings, I heard the FBI statistics for 2015 quoted yesterday (and wish now I could recall the exact numbers); but as I recall there were just 1000 incidents where people died in police shootings (included armed and unarmed victims). Of that total more than 60% were Caucasian, with black and Hispanic both in the low 20%; and the balance Asian and miscellaneous other races. Given that blacks, who make up 20% or less of our nation's population, commit just over 50% of the nation's crime; and whites 20%, these stats seem to show that white criminals are far more likely to wind up on a slab at the morgue. A cop shot and killed an unarmed WHITE man last week in Kalifornia; why didn't that incident make national headlines, and why are whites marching and looting and burning in protest? The simple reason is that whites generally don't riot; so there's no news ratings, or political advantage to be gained. Bottom line here, in my opinion anyway, is that if the second guy wasn't killed with a double barrel (the 1st guy wasn't), I don't see this thread as applicable to this forum.
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Do you believe that resting arrest justifies an execution?
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Do you believe that resting arrest justifies an execution? No. But if you are carrying and start fighting a policeman and you get shot it is your own damn fault. nca you are stating as fact things still to be determined. We haven't seen the police car video in the CCL car shooting. But just as friendly fire kills the wrong people in battle, innocents are going to die in police encounters.
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One of the obvious causes of violence was LyndonJohnson's GREAT SOCIETY welfare programs. His deal with the NAACP in 1966 changed the Black society and the families and it gets worse ever year, particularly with the troublemaker in the Whitehouse.
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Mike,
If you are OK with some innocents getting killed occasionally by law enforcement, then what is the difference with some innocent people being denied a firearm because they somehow end up on a terrorist watch list as both occur out of a necessary law enforcement function.
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I certainly cannot condone the police execution of people, innocent or otherwise (black or white) during an arrest. However as we have learned from the Ferguson, MO, Baltimore,MD.New York, and other excess force disputes we've seen in the news lately, it is pointless to assume anything until the full facts come out.
It almost seems that black lives do not in fact matter unless there is money in the form of reparations to families or political hay to be made. If law enforcement is going overboard with lethal force it must be dealt with for sure. However, I think both law enforcement and the Courts are handling these matters both expeditiously and honestly in most all cases...Geo
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You know as well as I do that US gun violence is a national issue, irresolvable for historical and cultural reasons. It isn't here because of laws made in legislatures at the will of our people. Canada developed differently from the US with a legacy at the top of the world's social progress index. We're practising inclusion, taking in more immigrants per capita than any other country with very little complaining, embracing diversity in every form, reasons we rate so highly in the Index while anger and intolerance seems raging everywhere, notably in the US and UK.
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I certainly cannot condone the police execution of people, innocent or otherwise (black or white) during an arrest. However as we have learned from the Ferguson, MO, Baltimore,MD.New York, and other excess force disputes we've seen in the news lately, it is pointless to assume anything until the full facts come out.
It almost seems that black lives do not in fact matter unless there is money in the form of reparations to families or political hay to be made. If law enforcement is going overboard with lethal force it must be dealt with for sure. However, I think both law enforcement and the Courts are handling these matters both expeditiously and honestly in most all cases...Geo
Can't argue with that Geo. To be clear, I don't think this is purely a race issue. Another poster noted that Caucasians as well are wrongly killed by law enforcement, but they don't protest. Maybe whites should protest police shootings as well. It would be pretty smart to do, because if the public can be made aware that law enforcement is just as likely to shoot a white guy as a black guy, then nobody's life matters as opposed to just black lives. Beware the Police State...
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I agree on "expeditiously and honestly in most all cases," Geo. There's been enormous progress since blacks and whites organized an effective civil rights movement. What was taken for granted is no longer. Makes no difference the reasons for it---everyone with a camera, improving social justice laws or striving for a higher standard of human values---your observation is accurate.
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We're practising inclusion, taking in more immigrants per capita than any other country with very little complaining, embracing diversity in every form, reasons we rate so highly in the Index while anger and intolerance seems raging everywhere, notably in the US and UK. Not to rain on your parade but, I suspect that in a very few short years, you will be realizing the fruits of your " I'm OK your OK open door policy". Of course that probably won't be of your concern considering your advanced age. The grandchildren can deal with it....eh?
Dodging lions and wasting time.....
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