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Cite splendid satire site source, please, Ken.

And now 5 cops killed in Dallas.

Gun violence varies significantly in the States. Very high in some urban areas; quite low in a lot of mostly rural areas. Canada lacks a lot of very high population urban areas that we have. That might also make a difference.

The LA and MN shootings were both of ARMED black men. LA, as noted, report was of a black man threatening people with a gun. He did in fact have a gun, although it appears that it may have been in his pocket when he was shot. The MN victim also had a gun. According to his girlfriend, whose video went viral (but only shows what happened AFTER he was shot), he announced to the cop that stopped them (broken light) that he had a permit to carry. Makes me wonder whether the cop might have misunderstood what the guy said and thought he was reaching for a gun.

Heard an interview on NPR with a black man who has concealed carry, and he came very close to excusing the cop in the latter case. He said that you need to be very careful when you tell a cop that you are carrying concealed to make sure he doesn't get the wrong idea. Probably good advice whether you're black or white.

Culture is a more significant factor, Larry. Carrying, concealed or otherwise, is abhorrent in our society. We don't feel a need for protections from vile wretches in public or from our governments---just vote the buggers out. With society stoked on prozac and bragging of having your own psychiatrist, opprobrium of carrying heat publicly may be a good thing. It seems to work for us.

Larry while there are common threads running through the incidents we still are very early in discovering facts.

The use of terms like "law enforcement's recent executions of two black men" drive a predetermined judgment. "Execution" is inflammatory and not accurate. It may turn-out police were wrong or they were right, or they were acting in good faith and still wrong or an infinite variation on the former ideas.

I doubt anyone can responsibly determine to a complete degree of actual certainty at this point with the evidence in play. IN a short time as data if organized, validated, and published will tell us more.

What previous incidents have shown is that out and out deliberate with malice of forethought murder by police is rare. To term the recent deaths as "executions" is not only flawed, but rather ignorant of reason.

Further most incidents involve a degree of physical resistance to arrest. The Castile incident by the immature set of data we currently know is an outlier.

The beatification of every supposed victim, i.e. Michael Brown, is flawed, just as a beatification of all police actions would be.

What is required is the building and enforcement of safeguards so that both citizens and their law enforcement can maintain a peaceful and safe society.

Ideas such as police cameras in addition to dash cameras; external investigation by another agency to remove perceived bias, civilian review of law enforcement agencies, all help create a better environment and trust for communities.

Besides police cameras are really giving us some truly funny youtube videos to watch that demonstrate that police are not the automatic villains that lives matters group pose

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You can not compare Canada and the US because we are not the same. How about if your entire southern border was with Mexico instead of the US? Do you think a constant half million a year, uneducated, unemployed people, who don't speak your language, who bring nothing with them but the clothes on their backs might alter your society. We are a thousand mile buffer for the illegal immigration problem for you. It cost us hundreds of billions a year. Influx of so many people is wearing the US down. Large cities are areas to avoid not to live in or to work in. There are no jobs there and they have become money pits. Money goes in, crime comes out, money goes in and demands for more, neve end more and more. And if you complain about this or an illegal like drug activity you are labeled a racist by our liberals and the press.

It's like blaming a rape victim because it is not fair they(you) had a job, worked, followed the rules, got an education, earned and paid taxes on everything you do. One party knows as long as they can devide us into groups they can put a coalition together to get elected. And I love the strawman fighting points like all we need is more gun controls. It's people control we need because people are doing this to other people.

Obama is the one fueling these anti police acts and he is to blame for the death's of these Policeman !

Canada doesn't have to deal with "the element".

Correct, Jon. Apples and oranges. Immigration works here with a points system. Our borders north, east and west are the Arctic, Atlantic and Pacific oceans. Our social policy is, in part, a multicultural experiment, watched closely by other countries.

Bill, if "the element" refers to citizens of colour, Canada's disgraceful history with indigenous peoples---isolation, neglect and abuse---is being mended slowly and positively.

We have three female premiers, two premiers openly homosexual and two indigenous premiers. Muslims are Members of Parliament, federal cabinet ministers, mayors and share distinguished roles in governments.

Federally we're legalizing marijuana, protecting the rights of the transgendered and legislating conditions for a medically assisted death, all with consultation, debate but relatively little fuss. Canada is deliberating embracing difference to make dynamism from diversity of cultures, more equality and opportunities.

With the West generally heading the other way, someone has to give it a try.