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This began as a pretty respectful and thoughtful thread reacting to an American tragedy. Let's not let it become so partisan that we cannot see one another's viewpoints. No matter how wrong some of them might be...Geo
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George:
I don't see the tone of the beginning of this thread or of the most recent posts the way you do.
As far as being partisan the Democrats have been partisan about the Black Lives Matter assocation. They have been exploiting its false narrative for cynical political gain. The Democrats have been promoting Black Lives Matter's legend to fill the voting booths in Black neighborhoods this November. They have used the BLM narrative as a political club to beat city governments into turning control of their police departments over to Obama's "Justice Department" by "consent decrees".
Separating the murder of those five Dallas policemen from BLM from the Democratic Party from Mr. Obama is impossible, those things are homogenized as cause and effect and cause and effect. And all by the partisanship of the Democratic Party exploiting their loyal Black constituency in order to get out the vote, to energize the base. And that massive program of false propaganda drove a wedge between Black citizens and White citizens. It drove Republicans further from Democrats. That political fraud turned Black citizens against police. And that massive misinformation dissemination drive led to the deaths of many innocent policemen.
Mr. Obama, the Democratic Party, BLM, and the race hustlers were and are a divisive force in this country. And they are partisan.
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MLK, with generous autograph to boot.
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Mike, you and I are divisive with our opinions in some respects and not in others, even partisan but not to the point of being disrespectful to each other. I think that's Geo's point.
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George used the phrase "so partisan".
Partisanship is woven into the subject of the thread. This particular bit of Democratic partisanship lead to the deaths of many innocent policemen.
My disgust with the cynical partisanship shown by the Democrats when they used the BLM's false narrative to further their political ends, even though it was extraordinarily divisive, is real. My disgust for that political gambit is not disrespectful, it is honest.
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Politics of the day. Demonize your opponent so you don't have to address his points. Split people up into groups and try to bring several different groups to your side to get elected. Never be caught working with the other side. Run for re-election from the day you get elected.
What I hate most are the people who assume their viewpoint is right, others automatically wrong and refuse to let facts get into the way of their opinions. And both sides have too many of these people. People whose lack of knowledge which does not stop them from loudly proclaiming what they think. People with education who treat people without "proper" education like the village idiots.
If I had my way everyone would serve two years in active service. Then everyone could get two years college or skill training free. If they want a four year degree they can pay for the last two years. And the vote would be restricted to tax payers. If you pay no taxes you don't get to vote for rulers who give you more money for less work. You pay taxes (work) you get a say in the government you don't you are riding for free but not allowed to drive the bus.
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Dang Mike. You'd think I had disagreed with you.
By the way, have you noticed the new 'poster girl' for #BLM? Good looking black woman in a designer dress confronting a line of LEOs. Shades of Tiananmen Square in impact. Well, no tank maybe, but the Leos clad in Robocop outfits makes the point anyway...Geo
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Those murders of those abortionists were wrong. The murderers should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
I saw no hate speech from Fox News or O'Reilly towards those institutions or individuals. Objecting to the principle of killing babies in the womb is not hate speech.
I am sure that out of the hundreds of thousands of city, county, state and Federal politicians there are some who participated in hate speech directed at the abortionists and their institutions. Don't remember seeing them on Fox News. But I can hardly turn on the news without seeing Jesse, Al, Barry or other Democrats accusing policemen of race based murder of Blacks.
The best number I can come up with for LEOs murdered in the US in a year is about 130. How many abortionists are murdered in a year?
Since you changed the subject I assume you are conceding that the Black Lives Matter contention that policemen are systemicly and wantonly committing race based murder against Blacks is a falsehood.
Mike, I think that routinely referring to George Tiller as Tiller the Baby Killer is hate speech and it has a specific audience. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/...er-baby-killer/http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/02/us/02blame.html?_r=0And the hate speech was not just leveled at Tiller but across the board concerning all abortion providers. http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/d...connection.htmlJust as you are claiming that the race baiting is a dog whistle to get minorities to the polls, this and gay marriage are traditionally the dog whistle that gets out the conservative base’s vote. Your comparison concerning LEO’s getting “murdered” and abortion providers is disingenuous as well. LEO’s, bless them, actively interject themselves into situations or confrontations where there is a risk to their safety. Abortion providers do not. Lastly, in response to my conceding an issue, one cannot concede an issue where there is agreement. You may have missed these previous posts of mine:
Even if the dashcam video shows that the policeman incorrectly shot the CCL motorist, which I think it will, in a country of 330,000,000 people it is going to happen. I don't think the cop executed the motorist, I think he made a grave error or mistake. I may be wrong, the dashcam may show a justified shooting.
There is no doubt that the police make a disproportionate number of fatal errors when dealing with Black citizens. But murderers occur in the Black population at six times the per capita rate of Whites. The vast majority of Blacks are honest citizens. But that criminal rate means Blacks also have six times the per capita rate of interaction with the police than Whites do. And thus are disproportionate victims of unjustified police shootings.
First off, as I said earlier, I don't think this is a race thing. This is a concern over a Police State that you all seem comfortable with. Now lets look at your position here... you feel that in a country of 330,000,000 people, when law enforcement gets involved, there are bound to be some mistakes, and some innocent people will get killed by the police. I think that since you feel that law enforcement is out there providing a necessary security function, through a very stressful job, these incidents where people are unjustly shot are the result of some grave and tragic mistake. But when we have our government performing a necessary security function in a country of 330,000,000 and creating a terrorist watch list and wishing to prevent people on that list from getting a gun, for our own safety, the same inevitable and tragic mistakes of wrongly designating a person on that list is just too much to take. How can you be idle about the prior and outraged by the latter? I certainly cannot condone the police execution of people, innocent or otherwise (black or white) during an arrest. However as we have learned from the Ferguson, MO, Baltimore,MD.New York, and other excess force disputes we've seen in the news lately, it is pointless to assume anything until the full facts come out.
It almost seems that black lives do not in fact matter unless there is money in the form of reparations to families or political hay to be made. If law enforcement is going overboard with lethal force it must be dealt with for sure. However, I think both law enforcement and the Courts are handling these matters both expeditiously and honestly in most all cases...Geo
Can't argue with that Geo. To be clear, I don't think this is purely a race issue. Another poster noted that Caucasians as well are wrongly killed by law enforcement, but they don't protest. Maybe whites should protest police shootings as well. It would be pretty smart to do, because if the public can be made aware that law enforcement is just as likely to shoot a white guy as a black guy, then nobody's life matters as opposed to just black lives. Beware the Police State... The squeaky wheel gets the oil Mike. As I said before, it would well serve all communities to protest police abuse, not just letting BLM control the narrative.
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Dang Mike. You'd think I had disagreed with you.
By the way, have you noticed the new 'poster girl' for #BLM? Good looking black woman in a designer dress confronting a line of LEOs. Shades of Tinanemen Square in impact. Well, no tank maybe, but the Leos clad in Robocop outfits makes the point anyway...Geo She looks dangerous Geo!
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ncaa I can claim progress. You have gone from arguing that Black citizens are grossly disproportionately shot by policemen because those Black citizens' race to arguing that Black and White citizens get shot unjustly by policemen too often. Well, once a century is too much. Again you conflate two different things and leave me to disentangle.
You have conceded that Black Citizens have more encounters with Police than white Citizens because the population of Blacks have a much higher rate of criminality than Whites. The NYT article I linked to shows that cops shoot Blacks at an 18% lower rate per encounter than Whites. So you have conceded that. Again, progress.
Mr. Tiller was in fact an abortionist. His practice was legal. He should not have been killed. Nor, for the same reasons, should the Denver clinic have been attacked. The perpetrators should be prosecuted. I don't watch O'Reilly and so missed his "Tiller the Baby Killer" remarks. But had he called him "Tiller the Abortionist" it would have been just as accurate and just as inflammatory.
But your Democrats and their propaganda organs had a constant, ongoing, every day, every way fraudulent narrative about cops killing Black citizens because of the citizens' race. Your party leader lectured us after every shooting of a citizen who happened to be Black about our racism and the racism of the US police.
Cruz is against abortion. I don't know if Cruz knew the history of the anti-abortion advocate that gave the award. But Cruz shouldn't have associated with anybody condoning the attack of or murder of abortionists.
The lie, created by BLM and promoted by the Democrats, POTUS, Jesse, and Al, about cops hate-murdering Black citizens, inflamed many Black citizens against policemen and caused a many to attempt to kill many policemen. And the Democratic Party was partisan in its support of BLM.
Numbers matter to me. How many abortionists were killed in the last year by anti-abortionist murderers. How many policemen were killed in the last year by Blacks angered by the BLM propaganda myth?
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