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"ITAR requires that �Anybody who engages in the business of �manufacturing� a defense article to register with DDTC and pay a registration fee that for new applicants is currently $2,250 per year,� explains the NRA. �These requirements apply, even if the business does not, and does not intend to, export any defense article. Moreover, under ITAR, �only one occasion of manufacturing � a defense article� is necessary for a commercial entity to be considered �engaged in the business� and therefore subject to the regime�s requirements.�

The ATF is trying to cull many of the small time gunsmiths with this executive action-next will be the smaller dealers and there are now some larger banks getting pressure-again,to drop firearm business (look at WF and Houge)

The changes to the rules now include just about anything other than installing drop-in parts as �manufacturing.� This means that any service that requires cutting, fitting or �special tools� is considering manufacturing. If these companies wish to continue offering these services they will need to pay an additional $2,250 per year in fees.

In response to questions from persons engaged in the business of gunsmithing, DDTC has found in specific cases that ITAR registration is required because the following activities meet the ordinary, contemporary, common meaning of �manufacturing� and, therefore, constitute �manufacturing� for ITAR purposes:
a) Use of any special tooling or equipment upgrading in order to improve the capability of assembled or repaired firearms;
b) Modifications to a firearm that change round capacity;
c) The production of firearm parts (including, but not limited to, barrels, stocks, cylinders, breech mechanisms, triggers, silencers, or suppressors);
d) The systemized production of ammunition, including the automated loading or reloading of ammunition;
e) The machining or cutting of firearms, e.g., threading of muzzles or muzzle brake installation requiring machining, that results in an enhanced capability;
f) Rechambering firearms through machining, cutting, or drilling;
g) Chambering, cutting, or threading barrel blanks; and
h) Blueprinting firearms by machining the barrel.

What does "defense" mean, King?

James, it's a regulation under ITAR, international trade for those under the United States Munitions List. And, according to US State Department site:

"Who Must Register

All manufacturers, exporters, and brokers of defense articles, related technical data and defense services as defined on the United States Munitions List (Part 121 of the ITAR) (PDF, 7MB) are required to register with the Directorate of Defense Trade Controls (DDTC). Registration is primarily a means to provide the U.S. Government with necessary information on who is involved in certain manufacturing, exporting and brokering activities. Registration does not confer any export rights or privileges, but is a precondition for the issuance of any license or other approval for export."

We can count on King Brown to always support and defend any anti-gun Liberal left Democrat. Perhaps his fellow Troll Ed Good can explain these statements made here by King:







And here's King making lame and dishonest excuses for his anti-gun hero Barack Obama to infringe upon our Constitution and violate his Oath of Office:



Spoken like a fraud and an anti-gun Troll.



To King and other Liberal anti-gunners, it means about as much as "the best of my ability" in the Oath of Office that Obama took. In other words... in King's own words... you can wipe your ass with it.

I think itar and what you posted has been around since the 70's. Are you saying that there have been no changes to itar, and related, by executive order within the last two weeks?

I didn't say there had been no changes to itar, craig. In the first instance, I agreed with Mr. Dudley's understanding of the situation. In the second, I read again what Pete posted for confirmation of that understanding.

A friend manufacturing telescope sights for military clientele---claimed by US Army experts as best in the world although Washington wouldn't buy them---is the only person I can think of affected by itar.

Domestic gunsmiths not on the United States Munitions List are not felons.

Non US residents have felt the effects of these new UN inspired regulations for some years now. Non essential bits that we used to buy from US suppliers, ie stocks, screws, springs, now are off limits. We posted our experiences here and in other forums.

all it takes is a prosecutor to charge someone under this regulation ,then you have to defend yourself in court. most gunsmith will be bankrupt defending them self.

I have a friend who was a well known maker of custom rifles. The BATF audited him and found some minor problems and revoked his license. Upon consulting with lawyers that all wanted a Minimum of $5,000 up front to defend him plus whatever costs were involved in pursuing his case. He could not afford it so his license remains revoked. Yes the government can easily bankrupt individuals or even a company with frivolous cases. Why the Hell do you think Clinton want's the ability to sue gun manufacturers re-instated?
Jim

King we in Canada have the example of the registered and trained firearms instructor to the RCMP, OPP and othe forces being charged with unsafe storage because when he was away for three weeks, thieves had the chance to enter his apartment and take THREE days opening his safe!

That travesty of anti gun persecution is the result of vague wording. It can and will be twisted to suit the aims of the authorities. As will the word "defence".