apology accepted. I realize I have 'caught a packet" vis a vis a reply on the thread I started about a Ithaca NID field grade 20- as to chamber length for an early (1927) vintage NID-- and somehow, my fault I should guess, it morphed into clean kills. I am a frugal SOB- so I don't expend a second shell to finish off a crow or a barn pigeon- but I have emptied a Model 12 of its 3 shell capacity several times to finish off a crippled from first shot Canada goose, or Tom Turkey--

I make the distinction that crows and pigeons are NOT game birds, whereas geese, ducks, pheasants and turkeys are. I hunt by myself now-a-days (at age 75, most of my former hunting pals are gone) so you'll have to take my word for this- but if I loose a duck on the river that my Lab Khartoum cannot find, I could that into the days bag limit- 4 mallards per day, only 2 of which can be hens- here in MI-- and act accordingly. We owe God a death, by Troth- as the Bard of Avon once penned, and we owe the game we hunt a clean, quick and non-suffering demise.

As far as Vick, Tyson and the others mentioned- I have NO respect for a person (note- I did NOt say Man) like: Tyson, who beats up on women, or Vick: who profits from torturing dogs, regardless of their breeding and intended function in our lives--


"The field is the touchstone of the man"..