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What I wrote was �the myth of soft steel�. What you�re reporting is low carbon steel with poor to no heat treatment.

If you can understand those are two different subjects we can have a discussion.
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and I thought you were going to educate me about how to properly harden low carbon steel......

and please, more on "the myth of soft steel" as well. Your post has been highly enlightening so far.

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Not interested, but feel free to waste another's time.

You should become a comic......

How were able to determine that the ejectors were low carbon steel?

Poor or no heat treatment?

You do know low carbon steel can only be hardened by case hardening don't you? I think you know squat about metallurgy but try to pass yourself off as an expert....just my opinion though.

Poor to no heat treatment? Poor perhaps--quien sabes??How measured. Rockwell hardness testing? What scale? Or perhaps a DHP test? Let's get specific..

Sounds typical, someone calls the masters bluff and that ends any discussion on the matter. Steve, you won!

Lion Country Supply(doubleshotguns.com) began importing Uggies 30 years ago and still have a large inventory of all grades. They will continue to service Uggie shotguns for a long time.
http://www.doubleshotguns.com/ugartechea.html

Why any EU double gun maker would go bust? In addition to the reasons mentioned above there is the ascendancy of the autoloader in Europe.

Over 60 per cent of respondents in an EU survey favored self loaders mentioning instant repairability, owner servicing as reasons. Now with almost universal offering of choke tubes and stock shims the auto is arguably more popular and more "bespoke" than the stock double. It can be made to fit the owner in minutes at zero cost. It costs less to buy than a stock double and much less to repair. Gunsmithing is not cheap (nor fast) in Europe and barring some UK shoots the autoloader is acceptable in most types of EU hunting.

Let me say I totally agree with your assessment. However; These are a lot of shotgun owners what still find a largely hand made double gun far more attractive that a mostly mass produced pump or semi example.
It's like comparing apples to oranges or a Ferrari to a Ford sedan. These are both vehicles and If I had to pick one to drive across the country with minimal problems it would be the Ford every time. Now driving across for sheer pleasure would be a different matter entirely!

I know most here well understand this but I'm going to repeat it anyway. Because of the inherent nature of double guns the technology still doesn't exist today to craft one mechanically. It still take the skills of multiple craftsman to accomplish this task. When I pick up one of mine the fact that it started out as raw steel and wood and was turned into what I'm holding thru the manual efforts of several individuals primarily using hand tools and their own practiced eye I'm still in awe.
I expect we may be the last generation to be able to afford this type of luxury in a world that is rapidly evolving away from craftsmanship.
Jim

James,

I agree with the using pleasure aspect re doubles, which is why I own several and no autos or pumps.

On the other hand, I often wish the makers would show more innovation and offer us doubles that we can use, service and fit more easily and economically yet still retain the using pleasure. If Perazzi can do it so can others, but few were willing to innovate.

I don't think innovation sells when the user is looking for the shooting experience of a bygone era.
Not many people who are looking at restored model A Fords would be interested in one that had been converted to fuel injection and had an air conditioner installed on it. At least not enough people to justify doing it as a production venture.
That is what modern era cars are for. Same with double guns.

Best,
Ted

That's it, Ted. It's all about the hunt, the gun and the dog. If you get something it's a bonus.