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I say GG is full of horse biscuits & they don't want to fess up that they sourced their steel from the Continent. Yeah, custom steel specifically from Skoda. Have him reveal their bar stock source. Nick off a sample & let's have it centrifuged.

Cheers,

Raimey
rse

Hi Drew,
I think Graham sees this as just examples and not a real identification.
And it seems to me that EN32 is equivalent to 1016 low carbon steel.

I added another poor picture of the gun.


The gun has a long bar, Baker ejectors and bushed strikers (and of course, Greener bolt and safety) .

I really like the Empire action as it is amazingly simple. Better than any other boxlock system I think. Using the main spring as a pushrod and ejector trip was a brilliant idea.


And by the way I agree, the .360#2 is a great caliber.

Enjoy!
WC-

Thank you for the correction WC.
http://www.matweb.com/search/datasheetText.aspx?bassnum=M1016A
It must be used for the action as it is readily carburized.

Unless it's this stuff
http://toscelikniksic.me/supplier/manufa...d/32CrMo12.html

Honestly Raimey, I don't think Graham gives a hoot about what happened circa 1928. What he knows is what the books say.
It would be interesting to know when such steel stopped being used.
If it's 1939 then you might have a point. But the data is lacking...
I've looked all over for such ZSR, and can't find diddly squat. That would mean that he might be right, it could be a custom spec to a steel maker of some sort. It could have been made by many providers for that matter.
Best regards,
WC-

EN32 seems to be 0.15% C, 0.8% Mn and 0.2% Si.
Specially designed to be case colored. Would be used for actions.
Pretty soft steel untreated ( "acier chocolat" as the Belgians say).
Best regards,
WC-

WC:

You seem to be spot on as the makers/retailers don't care, don't know & don't want to know, i.e., turn a blind eye to history. It is just us Baker's dozen of steel fanatics that are consumed w/ what & why. Just looking @ the acronym, other than country of origin that uses the letter Z in the gun trade, I see little use for commencing w/ a Z unless there was some addition of Zinc; & there could be another element that begins w/ a Z that I omitted. I guess it could contain some unobtainium & they decided to use the last letter of the alphabet?

Cheers,

Raimey
rse

Thanks again WC, and interesting. Hunter Arms used AISI 1020 for the frames of their "Farm Implement" guns according to an undated but likely post-1913 Materials Specification chart in Plans & Specifications of the L.C. Smith Shotgun by William S. Brophy

Raimey:
Actually Zr (Zirconium) is a known components of many alloys.
It would be a lot better than Zn anyway...
I am not saying that this is proven in any way... or even likely...

If I had access to a chromatograph I would use it, but not on my barrel set!
WC-

another 'Z' - Ironworks

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Yup the Belgies sure have a way with words- chocolat- the color of what the Germans (Krupp Works- Essen) csall "Schiese"-- but what is with Dr. Drewbie's "farm implement" guns scenario. Give a shotgun made like a John Deere 620 "two-lunger" and I'll give you a shotgun that will outlive all of us- like a Model 97 Winchester pumpgun..