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Dave, I asked you to check a reputable polling organization like Gallup and Pew. IBD isn't a polling organization. It's a small media company covering business, economics and stock markets. It's spectacularly whacky when it ventures beyond it's business undertakings. From Wikipedia:

"In July 2009, an editorial in Investor's Business Daily claimed that physicist Stephen Hawking "wouldn't have a chance in the U.K., where the [British] National Health Service (NHS) would say the life of this brilliant man, because of his physical handicaps, is essentially worthless." Hawking has always lived in the U.K. and receives his medical care from the NHS, and IBD later removed the editorial's reference to Hawking in its online version, and appended an "Editor's Note," which said, "This version corrects the original editorial which implied that physicist Stephen Hawking, a professor at the University of Cambridge, did not live in the UK." Hawking himself responded, "I wouldn't be here today if it were not for the NHS. I have received a large amount of high-quality treatment without which I would not have survived."

Is this where you got your ideas of medicare?

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Originally Posted By: King Brown
....please google Gallup, Pew and other respected polling organizations about what Americans say about gun control....

Hey King, I just checked. Current Gallup polling for 'most important issues' put gun control at just 3%.

Weren't you the fellow that wrote, not too long ago, that 'gun control is far down on the list of concerns of electorates'? Didn't we just never quite figure who 'they' were, and what their 'legitimate concerns' are regarding gun control?

Wasn't I supposed to go easy on the nonsense? Perhaps, if we put our heads together, we can create a poll that makes gun control appear to be more important? Well either that or we both end up with lumps on the head.

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Putting two heads together can't change anything, craig. Like the OJ trial, there's a lot more going on than a glove. National concerns are eclipsed by a sweaty face, a swoon, is the guy a loon? Elections are too important to discuss issues whatever their order.

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Originally Posted By: King Brown
Putting two heads together can't change anything....

Now I'm disappointed.

If bo and an atgen put their heads together, the entire nation is fair game for racial hate 'crimes' even if not one case materializes. If bo and an fbi director put their heads together, there isn't a national secret dump that can't be excused. If bo and a sec o def put their heads together, there isn't a foreign blood bath that can't be sugar coated. If bo and an irs director put their heads together, there isn't a lavish party to be passed up or an R to not 'investigate'. If bo and his chief o staf put their heads together, there isn't a crisis that can't be turned into an opportunity.

You have to get your head out of the reams of facts, and let your feelings be your guide. You're on the safe side of pc to be held accountable for much at all.

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Originally Posted By: King Brown
The principal proponent here of gun control as the No. 1 national issue is keith. He says all who vote Democrat are anti-gun, as if there could be no other reason for half the population to vote the way it does.


King Brown made this erroneous and dishonest statement, and I asked him to prove that I said what he attributed to me. I knew that he wouldn't and couldn't.

I also knew that he would also not acknowledge that he was lying again.

Dave K. knew it as well as I did, because Dave K. is very familiar with King's serial dishonesty.

Note also that King is only too happy to quote the results of National polls that support his preconceived notions about gun control, but he refuses to accept the only poll about gun control that really counted... the one at the ballot box.

When gun control was a major issue after the Newtown school shootings, politicians who sided with King's anti-gun hero Barack Hussein Obama were defeated in the 2014 mid-term elections. Once again, it was proven by actual results that the polls on American's attitudes toward gun rights were wrong... and probably just as dishonest as King.

"Lying crooked King", Dave? In my opinion, you're being much too kind to our resident anti-gun troll.


A true sign of mental illness is any gun owner who would vote for an Anti-Gunner like Joe Biden.

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Just to stir the pot....

A current poll on the CTV website (our largest private television broadcaster) askes the question "Does Canada need tougher gun control laws?"

Current results, with better than 4700 people responding, are 78% no we don't and just 22% suggesting we need tougher laws.

The anti gun activists make a big noise but often represent just a small proportion of the populace. But that is typical for left wing activists on any subject. They talk like their view is the majority view and the only sensible view. Facts usually disprove them.

Lefties hate facts.

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That's pretty well my view, James. As I've said here several times, Canadians generally believe they've come to a reasonable accommodation on the issue. Some Americans believe we're wimps although I think they recognize we're two different cultures that developed differently and are governed by different systems. We keep the volume down and like it that way.

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For newer members, keith's above is not only a good but perfect example of his twisting and misrepresentation that forced me years ago to put him on notice to desist or I would not answer his posts. He didnt---and I dont.

He insists he never said a vote for Obama and Clinton is anti-gun. Lo and behold, its here again reference mid-terms as guns overshadowing in importance a great recession while the country is sacrificing heavily at war.

Distinguished polling organizations show clearly Americans favour gun control and background checks. Federal elections cant become public opinion indicators where gun control is far-down the list of national concerns.

If they were, what to make of a country of strong democratic tradition that voted for Obama twice and would again based on his current popularity compared to Trump and Clinton? keith and Dave close their eyes to trends reported by Gallup and Pew.

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Originally Posted By: King Brown
For newer members...what to make of a country of strong democratic tradition that voted for Obama twice and would again based on his current popularity compared to Trump and Clinton?....

You're kidding, right? Aren't 47% of those voters deplorable? That's easily within the margin of error of Trump's numbers.

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"...I would not answer his posts."

Even when you did you didn't.

Ever consider what that conservation fellow thought of you after a day in the blind?

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