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Mercy, mercy. Maybe we should ease up on The Fringe. Trump isn't like the rest of us, as Jim claims. No gain flogging a dead horse. The Fringe has self-identified on its own terms as sexual predators. (Anyone who doesnt vote as they do is anti-gun and anti-Second, remember?)
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There's no moral high ground to be had between Hillary and The Donald. Only who would be better for the nation. My money is firmly on Trump. You can't be serious. The Clintons have their issues, but any objective look at the record for Trump and Clinton does not draw that conclusion. You are literally choosing cancer over a cold. You got to be kidding me, guy. They're just words. He said it. Bill Clinton actually did it with Hillary in complete compliance. Do you get the difference or do you need another cup of coffee?
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....The Fringe has self-identified on its own terms as sexual predators.... You noticed that too, eh. PM him, I think you can work with npca to bring him back under the big tent. Hang on a minute, you're a lefty and don't have a divisive potty mouth? You're out on the fringe bud. Actually, give it a try, call me an arfing homofobe. You'll get away with it, and probably feel better.
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....You got to be kidding me, guy.... Careful treb, don't toss around gender identifiers. We don't wanna be a little micro aggressive just in case you ever decide to run for pres.
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The board has been indicating by measured sanguinary posts for at least the last six months that the outcome is in little doubt. Hubris didn't lift its head, which speaks to an overall improvement from the past. Circumspection became the big tent. We can be grateful for it. I am.
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There's no moral high ground to be had between Hillary and The Donald. Only who would be better for the nation. My money is firmly on Trump. You can't be serious. The Clintons have their issues, but any objective look at the record for Trump and Clinton does not draw that conclusion. You are literally choosing cancer over a cold. In case you haven't figured this out yet Chris, there is a very good reason why thinking , rational, intelligent people support the Trump bid for the presidency. And in particular, why a Hillary Clinton presidency is anathema to us. And should be to you as well. Aside from all the issues that relate personally to Hillary, from her disgusting treatment of secret service agents, her handling of Bengazi and practically insisting on the deaths of American diplomats and service men, the email server, Whitewater, her revolting treatment of the women Bill had banged....oh the list of incredibly odious behavior goes on and on ....the reason Hillary has the highest dislike factor in history, second only to Trump, is what she is representative of. And it is not Trump's magnetism, well thought out policy pronouncements or sparkling clean personal and business history that draw us to his camp. Here's the deal, Chris..... With Hillary, we get four more years of the same old same old. The inside the beltway insiders, from both sides of the aisle. The John McCains who forget what they once stood for. The Dianne Feinsteins who now know they are part of the privileged class who believe laws are for the commoners. We get four more years of the failed policies and PC bullshit of Obama, Bush Sr and Jr and Bill Clinton Four more years of the out of control spending of Obama. Four more years of the refusal to call an illegal immigrant illegal. Four more year of the refusal to call the terrorism that stalks the Western world by it's correct name....Islamic Terrorism. Four more years of the refusal to the office of the President, through the executive branch and the public service, to actually enforce the laws that Congress has enacted, a state of affairs that has existed since Reagan. We get four more years of the slow slide into irrelevancy that the Bush/Clinton/Obama administrations have led America to. I'll freely admit Trump is a loose cannon. He may not be the best at the nuances of foreign policy. He may have many skeletons in the closet that the press has spent the better part of a year doing everything they can to bring to the fore, unlike any other candidate in history. He may have a used car salesman's fluidity with the truth when selling himself or an idea. I don't care. Because with Trump, we have a shot at something new. Something different. Something not of the "I'll scratch your back if you scratch mine" incestuousness that currently exists in Washington, regardless of which side of the aisle you are on. Obama campaigned 8 years ago on Hope and Change. In office he was utterly ineffectual. In my view, Trump has a chance of actually delivering on Obama's promise. Because he exists outside the system. Both party's, as they currently exist, need to get blown up. Trump is doing it to the GOP. The Democrats are close. Saunders showed that. This isn't an issue of right and left anymore. It's insider vs outsider and Hillary Clinton with her husband Bill, sits at the pinnacle of the very worst of the Washington game for personal gain. Corrupt doesn't begin to describe the Clintons. Ethically, morally and legally. It the same thing that has caused Brexit. It's not poor uneducated white guys. That's a myth perpetrated by the media because it makes them sleep better at night. If not the bumbler Trump now, perhaps a more sinister populist in the near future. Change is coming. Saunders and Trump represent that. Get on the bandwagon. Unless you are already getting your bread buttered by the current system. That's the only reason to vote for the status quo. For Hillary. Vote for the Clinton crime family if you want. But don't kid yourself about what and who you are voting for. I know EXACTLY why I would vote for Trump if I could. And it stands up to intellectual scrutiny.
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The world cries out for such: he is needed & needed badly- the man who can carry a message to Garcia
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Mercy, mercy. Maybe we should ease up on The Fringe. Trump isn't like the rest of us, as Jim claims. No gain flogging a dead horse. The Fringe has self-identified on its own terms as sexual predators. (Anyone who doesnt vote as they do is anti-gun and anti-Second, remember?) I take that as a particularly inappropriate personal insult, King. Kennedy likely said as much, in private and off the record. The difference is he was protected by the media. Trump has been piled on by the media.
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The world cries out for such: he is needed & needed badly- the man who can carry a message to Garcia
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There's no moral high ground to be had between Hillary and The Donald. Only who would be better for the nation. My money is firmly on Trump. You can't be serious. The Clintons have their issues, but any objective look at the record for Trump and Clinton does not draw that conclusion. You are literally choosing cancer over a cold. In case you haven't figured this out yet Chris, there is a very good reason why thinking , rational, intelligent people support the Trump bid for the presidency. And in particular, why a Hillary Clinton presidency is anathema to us. And should be to you as well. Aside from all the issues that relate personally to Hillary, from her disgusting treatment of secret service agents, her handling of Bengazi and practically insisting on the deaths of American diplomats and service men, the email server, Whitewater, her revolting treatment of the women Bill had banged....oh the list of incredibly odious behavior goes on and on ....the reason Hillary has the highest dislike factor in history, second only to Trump, is what she is representative of. And it is not Trump's magnetism, well thought out policy pronouncements or sparkling clean personal and business history that draw us to his camp. Here's the deal, Chris..... With Hillary, we get four more years of the same old same old. The inside the beltway insiders, from both sides of the aisle. The John McCains who forget what they once stood for. The Dianne Feinsteins who now know they are part of the privileged class who believe laws are for the commoners. We get four more years of the failed policies and PC bullshit of Obama, Bush Sr and Jr and Bill Clinton Four more years of the out of control spending of Obama. Four more years of the refusal to call an illegal immigrant illegal. Four more year of the refusal to call the terrorism that stalks the Western world by it's correct name....Islamic Terrorism. Four more years of the refusal to the office of the President, through the executive branch and the public service, to actually enforce the laws that Congress has enacted, a state of affairs that has existed since Reagan. We get four more years of the slow slide into irrelevancy that the Bush/Clinton/Obama administrations have led America to. I'll freely admit Trump is a loose cannon. He may not be the best at the nuances of foreign policy. He may have many skeletons in the closet that the press has spent the better part of a year doing everything they can to bring to the fore, unlike any other candidate in history. He may have a used car salesman's fluidity with the truth when selling himself or an idea. I don't care. Because with Trump, we have a shot at something new. Something different. Something not of the "I'll scratch your back if you scratch mine" incestuousness that currently exists in Washington, regardless of which side of the aisle you are on. Obama campaigned 8 years ago on Hope and Change. In office he was utterly ineffectual. In my view, Trump has a chance of actually delivering on Obama's promise. Because he exists outside the system. Both party's, as they currently exist, need to get blown up. Trump is doing it to the GOP. The Democrats are close. Saunders showed that. This isn't an issue of right and left anymore. It's insider vs outsider and Hillary Clinton with her husband Bill, sits at the pinnacle of the very worst of the Washington game for personal gain. Corrupt doesn't begin to describe the Clintons. Ethically, morally and legally. It the same thing that has caused Brexit. It's not poor uneducated white guys. That's a myth perpetrated by the media because it makes them sleep better at night. If not the bumbler Trump now, perhaps a more sinister populist in the near future. Change is coming. Saunders and Trump represent that. Get on the bandwagon. Unless you are already getting your bread buttered by the current system. That's the only reason to vote for the status quo. For Hillary. Vote for the Clinton crime family if you want. But don't kid yourself about what and who you are voting for. I know EXACTLY why I would vote for Trump if I could. And it stands up to intellectual scrutiny. Notwithstanding that many of your gripes about Clinton have already been investigated multiple times with no findings of culpable conduct on her behalf, I'll work with your assumptions for the sake of argument. In that regard you do realize your whole argument boils down to; both parties and the system su@k so lets toss an unstable bomb in there to see what happens. No sir, I do not wish to see what would happen. The system, albeit poor is the glue that holds it all together. To much i.e. our economy, depends on stability and my livelihood and pretty much the livelihood of all Americans depends on the same stability as well. Its not a stretch to say that the entire world economy would be negatively affected should the system collapse. Maintaining the status quo looks like a good option compared to collapse. Yes, Clinton is a status quo politician. Currently the USS America is sailing in circles, and if Clinton gets to be the captain she very well could keep the same course. But I'm not going to elect the guy thats going to sink it through his incompetence and call it change, or call it good for Russia. You think Trump is going to make changes, fine. Please describe them in detail for me. Please describe the policies of Trump that are going to make things better, please be sure to include in what way and how. Please highlight what Trump has done in the business world that justifies placing the trust of America in his hands. I'd like to hear it, cause I haven't been able to find it so far. It would be helpful in this regard if he were to release his taxes, but why hasn't he done that? Is losing a billion dollars in a year a sign that he's a genius at business? We know that happened in 1995, but what about from '95 to now? Who knows? Why is it that there is not one newspaper that has endorsed him? Why is it that conservative news papers have not endorsed him and endorsed Clinton? https://www.yahoo.com/tv/donald-trump-makes-history-zero-major-newspaper-endorsements-000943174.htmlhttps://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-...illary-clinton/http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/arch...d-trump/501161/-this is particularly good read Now getting back to your gripes, here is a link I think is worthy of a look: http://www.factcheck.org/2016/01/obamas-numbers-january-2016-update/Seems to me overall things are on the up and up. Now ask yourself, what level of blame as per your everything just su@ks argument should be afforded the obstructionist republicans in congress? http://www.politicususa.com/2016/03/24/l...epublicans.htmlhttps://ourfuture.org/20140923/the-cost-to-our-economy-from-republican-obstruction-and-sabotagehttp://swampland.time.com/2012/08/23/the-party-of-no-new-details-on-the-gop-plot-to-obstruct-obama/http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/the-republicans-plan-for-the-new-president/These are just a few of the links afforded by a google search, but there is much much more where those came from. In case you haven't figured this out yet James, the GOP has obstructed this county into its current condition, and then they gave us Trump to save us from them. So yeah, I think any reasoned, objective and intellectual consideration of the issue draws the conclusion that Trump is just to dangerous. The only meaningful choice is Clinton.
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Chris, the closest thing to a world financial collapse in your lifetime was a direct result of the policies of the first Clinton administration. How much riskier could Trump be?
And as far as the "obstructionist" GOP in Congress goes, they happen to have been there during the administration of the man with the least ability to forge alliances and bipartisan agreements. It takes two to tango and Obama has been as much the problem as the GOP. I suppose it might have helped his cause if he would actually do what the US Constitution expects of a President and execute the laws passed by Congress, rather than inappropriately issue presidential edicts to circumvent Congress.
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The world cries out for such: he is needed & needed badly- the man who can carry a message to Garcia
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