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The chart says 67.49, that was typo, it is still guage.
I will see what I can find with the measurements.
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The dimensions of the chambercast aren't the dimensions of any cartridge. Chambers must be larger than the cartridges intended for them, otherwise, they wouldn't enter the chamber. How much larger? is the question. Modern chambers may be .015" larger in diameter, at the head. The difference between "Go" and "No Go" headspace gauges for 06 length cartridges is .006" and for 308 length it is .003". Bullet diameter now is usually the same as groove diameter. None of this holds for old black powder cartridges. Bullets in black powder cartridges were lead and smaller than groove diameter, usually even smaller than bore diameter. They "bumped up" in firing( when black powder is the propellant) to fit the barrel. This allowed room for the cartridge to chamber, even with black powder residue in the barrel. With all this said, a couple different cartridges could have been intended. One is the 10.15x62.5 R Serbian Mauser, with a 10.22mm dia. bullet. This was a military cartridge, but enjoyed a little popularity for hunting. The other is the 10.25x60R mm(DWM 49), also known as 10.2X60R Schutzen, with it's 10.43mm dia. bullet. While shown as a target cartridge, it is plenty large enough for hunting. In my considered, but unlearned, opinion; the most likely one is the 10.2x60 R Schutzen. Commercial cartridges were more likely to be used than military. As to what Raimey alluded to, above, it doesn't matter if you can't precisely name the cartridge. The Mall Mart is not going to have any in stock, anyway. You can make, or have made, both cases and bullets; that is what matters.
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I have Meffert No.21231. It's a two barrel set - 16x16 and 16x10.15 Serbian. The rifle barrel is marked 67/49. I load for it using .43 Mauser brass, 300 grain .429 bullets sized down to .423 with a full case of Pyrodex or 2F. Prints right to the sights.
Note: All my Mefferts have a serial number on their metal butt plate.

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Many thanks for the info there Steve. Can you put a date or date range on any of the Mefferts of which you are a custodian? And are the firing pins similar to Meffert 20207? Considering the firing pins & beefed up area of the frame around the crosspin, I'd still say it was manufactured in the early to mid 1890s.

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Thanks to all for the insight with this piece. Steve, I removed the butt plate just to see if anything was under it and there was only this on the back of the door...


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Helsley's adorned Immanuel Meffert w/ pattern welded tube(left) & steel(right).

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I just sent an email to http://waffenmuseumsuhl.de/ and will post anything they respond with.

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