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Pressure information given to me by RST:

All are 12 bore loads 2.5" case:

Maxi-Lite: 1 oz., 5700 PSI

Falcon Lite: 7/8 oz., 5400 PSI

Ultra Lite: 3/4 oz., 4400 PSI

If you have concerns about RST's other loads and pressure, just email them, they will be quick to respond.

The above are all effective loads, so why worry about 2.75" shells and pressure?

The folks at RST are great, lets give them as much business as possible!

Miller,
One of these days, I'm going to get off my ass and go to my friend Dan's house to take photos of his Grandfather's model 12, that suffered that exact failure way back when, mid 1930s or so, I'm guessing. The gun was repaired by his Grandfather after some parts were mail ordered for it, but, still bears the scars from pellets in the forward receiver and chamber area. Although Grandfather and his hunting partner have long ago met their reward, it was reported that the kaboom was mostly in the duck boat, neither man heard much of anything for a few days, and the round that caused the damage did not contribute to the depression era pile of ducks. In my conversations with both men in the past, that last fact was noted to me several times, leading me to believe economic times were especially tough around Vergas, MN. circa 1935 or so, when and where the incident took place.
One problem I have to prepare myself for when I go to visit Dan is the inevitable fine meal prepared by his cute native Cambodian wife, and all the beer that will be poured down my gullet.This research and documentation is a killer.
Oh, and I should also mention that Dan inherited both of his Grandfather's model 12s, a 12 gauge nickel steel gun, and a 3" heavy duck, but, he purchased for his own use a King's Ferry model 37 with decent wood, 28" barrel, and choke tubes. He has heard the above story more times than me.
I'm not aware of model 37s, or, any other US pumps that have a problem similar to the failure to lock in battery at discharge that rarely happens on model 12 WInchesters.


Best,
Ted

Amen to that- If i could only shoot one brand of shotshells, it would be RST- just as if I could only shoot one make and model of the many repeating shotguns extant, albiet not made since 1964-- It would be a Model 12-- why? Because I kill birds with that combo-consistently. Steel shot waterfowling loads are the exception. I like the Blind Side loads-

Ted;
Do note, I was not doubting your word, I fully believed it. As of this date I can't recall meeting a "Pump Gun" I truly liked. My intent on the post was to "Needle" Foxy a bit, looks like it worked.

I got that, Miller. But, I should take the photos, and post them anyway, in the interest of history, and information.

"Needling" Fox is an unexpected side benefit, and were Don Moody still alive, you could get a two for one.

Best,
Ted

Sure did- I take my Model 12's as seriously as the late Oscar Levant did George and Ira Gershwin and Steinways. Who (whom) is the late Don Moody? Founder of the Moody Bible College perhaps.

Could a 870 solve any problems ?

Yes sirree- good enough for Rudy Etchen, that speaks volumes. Just that I grew up in a Winchester-Colt oriented family of males who shot almost year around (weather permitting). Went out this morning for waterfowl on the Flat River-here in West Central MI- took a 1921 mfg. Model 12- 12 gauge of course, 28" full nickel steel "working man's repeater"-- Shot one greenhead- went into town to gas up and have coffee. No way of knowing how many thousands of shells Uncle Herb put through it before he willed it to me 30 years ago. Only part I have replaced in those 30 years was the carrier return piano wire spring- sort of resembles a safety pin w/o the latch-

Fox,
Here:

http://www.geojcarroll.com/home/index.cfm?action=public%3Aobituaries.view&o_id=1896397&fh_id=13362

Don was a long time member and contributer here. He bled Winchester red, and never would have said anything bad about ANY Winchester, including the real stinkers.
You would have liked him. Not so sure the reverse would have been true, however.


Best,
Ted

Thanks- so, no ties to the Moody Bible College, then. The only real "stinkers" I can see in the WRA logbook, over the years, were the Model 11 and the the Model 40 repeating autoloading shotguns. Of course, after the 1964 debacle, all bets were off. RWTF