Paul, you live in quail heaven. A kick'em up and shoot wild birds without dogs to a limit is amazing. I respect a man who doesn't treat his dogs like expendable livestock. I'm sure your dogs do, too. wink . I know of two men who lost dogs to gators in their sight. Fluke occurences. Dogs get killed here during the winter as well by snakes. I avoid hunting in balmy conditions around here. Snakes can be out year round in these parts and hogs can be a nuisance as well. Gil