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Moses, can you guess this one (the gun)? Certainly, not the best picture.

The dog is Ande (Timberline Ande's Gold Mint) out of Oregon. He was a great one, direct decendent of Top Brass Cotton. If you know goldens, you will have heard of him.

Now this one is a bit harder with the dark photo & all.
Looks like Jeffries hammers. Most likely a Scott or Westly Richards, but I am saying Jeffries.
The Cashmore was easy because I have one just like it.
O.M

Did your Cashmore come through New Zealand? Mine is stamped Christ Church.

Here is another photo of the above gun.

I need help identifying that gun.
My Cashmore is one originally sold in Victoria Australia.
There are lots of Cashmores in Australia & I paid AU $250 for it.
The barrels are 30" 1 1/4 oz proof & in the best condition I have seen, after looking at very many & more expensive. No dents, no rust pits internal or external & it locks up tight. It is cased with a cleaning kit & I think that the original owner must have been a bit fastidious about cleaning the bore after use.
O.M

Maybe gun owners in that part of the world are just more careful about their shotgun bores because mine too are as new. They could not be better condition. My gun is nitro proofed 1 1/8 oz and it is marked Choke in both bores. but I dont know how much choke they actually have. They feel pretty snug when I clean them. Anyway, mine is a great gun and I like it alot. I particularly like the relatively low hammers that are easy cock simultaneously, and sit quite low in the sight plane when swinging on a bird. I think I imported mine from New Zealand but I dont remember. I'm sure I paid more than $250 for it though.

The other gun is a 16b William Evans that I got out of England some years ago.

Brent, For 2&1/2 inch chambers I use Cheddite 2&1/2 hulls or trim them to that length. For 2&3/4 inch chambers use as they come. If your firing pins are not too long use the Cheddite primers. If I get pierced primers I switch to Winchester primers. I have settled on OE 1.5 fg for both 16 and 12 gauge. GOEX 1 fg for the 10's. 2&3/4 dram for the 16, 3 dram for the 12, and 4 or 4&1/4 dram for the short 10. 7/8 oz.-16, 1 oz.-12 and 1&1/8 or 1&1/4 for the 10. You can use paper or plastic and I like papers if I can get them. Precision Reloading has Cheddite papers in 12 gauge in stock. Ballistic Products also carry them but are currently out of stock. I got my 16 papers from them. and they get them in from time to time. Very nice 16 gauge hulls! RST has paper 16 in stock and they crimp with a fold crimp. Buffalo Arms has the OX-Yoke 12 & 16 pre-lubed fiber wads and Circle Fly overshot cards .025. Precision has 1/8 inch felt spacer wads and 1/8 inch nitro cards. 12 gauge 2&1/2 loads as follows: Powder, 1/8 inch nitro card, fiber filler wad, overshot card and 1 oz shot, finished with a overshot card and a roll crimp. Roll crimp just looks so right. 2&3/4 inch I add the 1/8 inch felt spacer to take up the extra room. If I load a 1&1/8th oz I omit the felt spacer. OE is faster and cleaner than GOEX and I can shoot a full 50 round clays course without having to clean between stations. Works out great!! Since there is no shot cup used I clean very good to not allow any lead build up in the barrels. My guns pattern quite well with these loads and I just switch to larger shot for hunting.

Eric,
thanks a bunch for this information. I've been using mostly plastic hulls and mostly with roll crimps (exclusively in the 16). I have to divide the fiber wads in half or less to allow enough room for the other wads, shot, and powder. And I've never used the felts. I also never tried an overshot wad under the shot, but just heard about doing that for the first time a couple weeks ago. I look forward to trying your suggestions.

The felt wads make nice spacers, can get them either lubed or without. The over shot card helps with shot embedding in the fiber filler and sticking some shot in the wad. I really like the lubed fibers as they do not fly all apart like the dry ones tend to do. Keeps the bits from blowing back into your face when the wind is at you. I really like OE for it's higher velocity and softer fouling. Just wish they'd make it in 1 fg. Would work great in the bigger bore guns and my 50-90 Sharps "buffalo gun"! I had the 10 gauge Greener out a few weeks ago and at station 1 my squad mates thought I'd blown myself up....they had never seen black powder loads used and were a bit surprised when I pulled the triggers for the first time. Also, the fact that I shot really well and crushed the clays impressed the hell out of them. Vintage guns and loads really do work!