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I know Ithaca sourced barrel tubes from Belgium BUT here is one I have not seen before. Anyone seen one before? Tube maker? Might it be a variation of the crown D maker?

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Is that your 1926 4E Walt? 'DDN in a crowned oval' is indeed Canons Delcour; Delcour-Dupont Nessonvaux



Here's your 2E with the 'Crowned D'



1928 Grade 5 with both marks



From L' Armureire Liegeoise I believe courtesy of PeteM


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Wow, Dr. Drew, I am red faced. Too many guns past and present. Old brain too. This one is not my gun but a 1927 issue. Thank you for the help.


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Why wouldn't Ithaca place their own barrels on these doubles or are these out-sourced barrels only found on the higher grade and/or super high grade Ithaca doubles?

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ALL the U.S. doubles makers, except Remington, sourced their fluid steel "rough forged tubes" from Belgium, unless Whitworth or Krupp tubes.
https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=17ixogftgITEblNUWtmFBv96ZvgjK6eFell8GsAWd-KI

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Drew,

I did not realize Remington's fluid steel barrels were not from Belgium and I should since I have a 1894 F Trap and 3 other damascus barrelled 1894 and 1889 Remingtons. Where were they sourced from? I am assuming their damascus barrels were from Belgium based on some of the information you have posted on other threads.

Not at home for a few days so can't go to the gun cabinet and check myself.

Sorry to the OP for any highjacking of this thread.


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Sanderson Steel right here in the USA?...Geo

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Tamid: Remington, like everyone else, sourced their pattern welded tubes from Belgium
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DaS94GLQ9b3w9XRU4cBX7M0LUIB_mTDFpvSZxCmUQME/edit

My Remington verbiage; all felt to be domestically produced

The Remington (hammer) Model of 1889 No. 1 with “Decarbonized Steel” was offered until 1908.

The Remington No. 3 Model of 1893 single was listed with “Blue Steel” and No. 9 Model of 1902 with “Special Steel”. The No. 9 hang tag (courtesy of David Noreen) states: “The barrels of this gun have been THOROUGHLY TESTED and are guaranteed for all standard brands of Smokeless and Black powder, when properly - but not excessively, loaded.” The maximum load was 3 1/4 Dr. Eq. of Bulk or Dense Smokeless powders.

It is assumed the Remington Steel used on the A Grade Hammerless Model of 1894 starting in 1897, K Grade (Model 1900) Hammerless, and (1894) Hammerless Grade “F.E.” Trap Gun (introduced in 1906) is similar to Marlin Decarbonized “Special Rolled Steel” and Winchester “Rolled Steel”. The 1897 Remington catalog stated “Remington blued steel barrels are manufactured in our own works” and the Sears catalog No. 112 c. 1902 states the K Grade has “fine Decarbonized steel barrels”.
A Model 1894 A Grade with Remington Steel barrels would be an ‘AR’.

Remington introduced Ordnance Steel for the (Model 1894) Hammerless Double in 1897. The 1902 catalog stated the Remington Ordnance Steel tensile strength was 110,000 psi. “Ordnance” was stamped on the top of the barrel tubes on the AO-/AEO-Grade and BO-/BEO-Grade guns. On the CO-/CEO-Grades and higher the words “Remington Arms Co.” were engraved on top of the right barrel and “Ilion, N.Y. U.S.A.” with “Ordnance” below on the left barrel (courtesy of David Noreen).
In 1918-19 Remington offered an Ordnance Steel barrel in place of the regular Remington Steel barrel on the No. 10 pump and No. 11 autoloading gun for an extra $9.75.

It is possible that Remington provided some of the Decarbonized (Bessemer) tubes used by other U.S. makers.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dnRLZgcuHfx7uFOHvHCUGnGFiLiset-DTTEK8OtPYVA/edit


George: quite a bit about Sanderson on my link the post above. Despite the marketing, there is no evidence Sanderson, Halcomb, or Crucible made the "rough forged tubes" for Hunter Arms, Ithaca, or anyone else.

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BTW: Winchester Nickel Steel, introduced for the 1894 rifle about 1896, was sourced from Bethlehem Steel Co. and Midvale Steel Co.
I do not know the source of their Decarbonized "Standard Ordnance" and "Rolled Steel"

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I have a 4E NID that has two sets of barrels and only one set has the crown over D mark. The other set are unmarked in this respect. Both sets of barrels are numbered to the gun with one set having a 1 on the forearm lug and the other a 2. The beaver tailed forearms are similarly numbered.

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