Originally Posted By: L. Brown
Originally Posted By: Stan
I don't really understand the "sanctity" of a breech loading double with two cylinder bore 29 5/8" barrels, even if Holland did make the gun like that originally. Who would be beating your door down to buy it? If the man wants choke he should have choke. What would you do if it were yours (not addressed to any one poster in particular) and you find out that it was all original ........ try to convince yourself you really didn't need any choke in the first place, or try to find a buyer that wanted a 29 5/8" barreled double with no chokes?

SRH


Well . . . as noted below, you don't need any choke for skeet, especially for a 12ga. And Brister points out that cylinder bore throws a very effective pattern (matter of fact, typically the same 70% pattern) at 25 yards that a full choke throws at 40 yards. Figuring that your pattern will usually lose about 10% for every additional 5 yards, you've still got a 50% pattern at 35 yards. Assuming that old H&H will handle 1 1/8 oz reloads at appropriate pressures and moderate velocity--and it was likely proofed for 1 1/8 oz--that load of 6's will stone a pheasant at 35 yards. And shooting wild roosters over dogs, you're not all that likely to need more "reach" than that. Wouldn't be my choice for a trap gun, nor for waterfowl, nor for something like late season prairie chickens/sharptails. But other than that, it's still a pretty darned versatile gun when fed appropriate loads . . . IMO.


Much of the shotgunning world does not shoot skeet OR pheasants, Larry. And the OP did not specify either one. He said he wanted choke. I predicted what would happen ....... many would come on here telling him how he did not need what he said he wanted. Doesn't a take a prophet to predict that here. When I used the word "sanctity" I was referring to the reluctance of some to touch a gun in it's original configuration, just because it was made that way. What good is that when it does not suit the genre or the game you pursue? I would argue that is is NOT "pretty darned versatile", but that it is narrowly restricted to close shooting pursuits. And I really question your claim of cylinder barrels "stoning" pheasants at 35 yards. That word implies that no choke is ever needed at 35 yards on a pheasant, and though I have never shot wild pheasant I have shot many other species of large fowl approximating the size of pheasant, and cylinder just don't cut it reliably at 35 yards ........... maybe 25, but I'd rather not limit myself to that close a shot in the field because of no choke.

SRH

Last edited by Stan; 12/08/16 11:02 PM.

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