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Depends on the Ducks and Clays course. One near me most of the top O/U shooters use Skeet chokes. Ducks over decoys open chokes can be very useful .
Personally I prefer tighter choked SXS guns, but there is a place for open Cyl barrels . I have a Parker lifter Cyl both barrels and it's fine on many Clays courses.
Pattern it before you make up your mind.
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I don't really understand the "sanctity" of a breech loading double with two cylinder bore 29 5/8" barrels, even if Holland did make the gun like that originally. Who would be beating your door down to buy it? If the man wants choke he should have choke. What would you do if it were yours (not addressed to any one poster in particular) and you find out that it was all original ........ try to convince yourself you really didn't need any choke in the first place, or try to find a buyer that wanted a 29 5/8" barreled double with no chokes?
SRH Well . . . as noted below, you don't need any choke for skeet, especially for a 12ga. And Brister points out that cylinder bore throws a very effective pattern (matter of fact, typically the same 70% pattern) at 25 yards that a full choke throws at 40 yards. Figuring that your pattern will usually lose about 10% for every additional 5 yards, you've still got a 50% pattern at 35 yards. Assuming that old H&H will handle 1 1/8 oz reloads at appropriate pressures and moderate velocity--and it was likely proofed for 1 1/8 oz--that load of 6's will stone a pheasant at 35 yards. And shooting wild roosters over dogs, you're not all that likely to need more "reach" than that. Wouldn't be my choice for a trap gun, nor for waterfowl, nor for something like late season prairie chickens/sharptails. But other than that, it's still a pretty darned versatile gun when fed appropriate loads . . . IMO. Much of the shotgunning world does not shoot skeet OR pheasants, Larry. And the OP did not specify either one. He said he wanted choke. I predicted what would happen ....... many would come on here telling him how he did not need what he said he wanted. Doesn't a take a prophet to predict that here. When I used the word "sanctity" I was referring to the reluctance of some to touch a gun in it's original configuration, just because it was made that way. What good is that when it does not suit the genre or the game you pursue? I would argue that is is NOT "pretty darned versatile", but that it is narrowly restricted to close shooting pursuits. And I really question your claim of cylinder barrels "stoning" pheasants at 35 yards. That word implies that no choke is ever needed at 35 yards on a pheasant, and though I have never shot wild pheasant I have shot many other species of large fowl approximating the size of pheasant, and cylinder just don't cut it reliably at 35 yards ........... maybe 25, but I'd rather not limit myself to that close a shot in the field because of no choke. SRH
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Mike Orlen , on his price list has "solder in permanent choke sleeve, $95. What is he offering with this?
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Oops, Stan.....you caught me. Absolutely right. My bad.
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Mike Orlen , on his price list has "solder in permanent choke sleeve, $95. What is he offering with this? A choke sleeve (think of a screw-in choke without the threads) is a thin-wall tube of appropriate diameters and constriction to choke the barrels as specified. The muzzle end of the barrel is reamed to provide a recess that the sleeve fits closely. The sleeve is then soldered in place and you now have a choked barrel. Skillfully done, the sleeves are nearly undetectable to naked eye inspection. This, IMO, is the optimum solution unless the versatility of screw-ins is needed. Screw-ins can be made flush with the muzzle and turned with an ID friction tool - near undetectable. DDA
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I'd go with the the screw in chokes....cylinder bore is practically useless in the real world of hunting. Whoops. I must be doing it wrong...
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Briley notchless chokes, almost invisible.
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I'd go with the the screw in chokes....cylinder bore is practically useless in the real world of hunting. Whoops. I must be doing it wrong... It all depends on what one is gunning for and where. Wildfowlers, turkey hunters and deer hunters using BK need choke while small bird brush hunters or deer hunters using slugs don't need choke. I found the best way is to have single barrel gun with "choke selector bulb" at the end. I know most think those are ugly and can not be used in two barrel guns, but they do eliminate need for choke tubes and spare barrels.
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best way is to have single barrel gun with "choke selector bulb" at the end I had "ONE" of those bought back around 1956. Had already been shooting an old J Stevens double for 2 or 3 years previously. After trying that Abominable PUMP for a couple of seasons traded it in on a Parker Trojan & never looked back. Even as old & crippled as I am you couldn't run me fast enough to force me to take another. Choke of course is dependant upon the use intended. I have found the ¼ choke to be a very versatile choke. It seems when most begin bragging up the virtues of a cylinder boring they immediately begin comparing it to a "Full" choke. Obviously there is a world of difference between a full choke & No choke. The difference in close performance between the cyl & an IC or ¼ choke is however not so great but the slight choke has many advantages over the cyl.
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