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Let me know the details and gauge, grade of the Smith you want to possibly sell, pls- Oh Master of the Hunt--I love Elsies- never had a problem with any of mine, but I super-fussy about the ones I do buy- and of course, 12 gauge only- thanks- RWTF
"The field is the touchstone of the man"..
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Yes indeed- but at 8.5 lbs., a tad hefty for a woodcock/grouse gun perhaps??
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Larry,
RE your comment that American doubles were, generally, built for hard use. Some, really weren't. A gun with the amount of wood between the action and head of the stock (little) and corrosive solder/flux used to knit the barrels together, not to mention the lack of support for the toplever spindle and other Rube Goldbergian screwups that an LC Smith is a showcase of, is not intended for hard use. The "Old Reliable" is a complicated mess inside, and has a perfectly designed splitting maul for an action, riding on the head of the stock. Yes, the village idiot has seen some, but, the really good gunsmiths have often seen the light.
The very expensive English guns, purchased by the well to do, did get the service you spoke of (they were unbelievably expensive, even then) but, for every one of them were half a dozen game keepers guns or lesser boxlocks that didn't, and many, many, of them seem to have survived, and keep right on chugging.
There is much to frustrate Murphy's law on an A&D pattern boxlock, constructed in England. I believe that the reason we have those wonderful best buy guns you refer to is that the companies that produced them, in Italy, Japan, or wherever decided to copy and improve where they could the typical Anson & Deeley, and NOT something like the Elsie.
The Petric is still alive in the form of the Petric, by the way Larry. They have been produced in St. Etienne for about a decade, now. Nice gun. Expensive gun. Nobody here knows about them.
Best,
Ted You missed your calling, Ted. You should have been a propaganda minister, somewhere. Probably here. JR
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My FE grade Lefever has been my go to gun for the past 48 yrs. Has never failed me in this time. When I first bought it I was not at that point willing to shoot damascus so had a new set of barrels made for it in Italy of Bohler steel. They are choked .012" & .024". Still have the original bbls for it, did not sacrifice them for parts for the new ones.By varying the loads from light 1oz loads up to the 3 3/4-1 loads I have killed quail, a few woodcock, rabbits, squirells, some ducks & a couple of turkeys with it.
Personally I am rather proud of the part American gunmakers played & the guns they put in the hands of ordinary people. Even my lowly H grade Lefevers all perform great & they are all obviously (Except one Ithaca assembled one) at least 100 yrs old. Have not seen any A&D actioned gun of like price range I would trade a one of these for.
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Jag'
I think Demonworks was Midland gun Co
Some of there best stuff, though rare , is pretty damn fine
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I believe that the top lever spindle on the L.C. Smith hammerless guns is supported by the counterbored hole in the trigger plate- I will grant you that re-assemblying a Smith requires some know-how as to getting this in proper alignment and then placing the retaining machine screw in battery- but a Smith action being "complicated"-- not much more than a Parker- but less than a AH Fox or Ithaca NID, I believe.
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Dang man, I'm glad I started this topic. I'm gaining more info than I bargained for.
God bless the fine men and women in the U.S. military
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Colonel Isaac Newton Lewis of the U.S. Army & Samuel McLean designed the Lewis gun. GE Lewis had nothing to do with it.
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I have a very nice Ithaca NID I may part with. Recently refinished stock with recut checkering. New starburst recoil pad. Cocking indicators, 28" mirror barrels and toward the lower end of your cost. Let me know if you might be interested.
Tom C
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Aldo Leopold
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