doublegunshop.com - home Forums General Discussion DoubleGun BBS @ doublegunshop.com Three Barrel Gun Co---- sight help

Most def not 1905ish, but mine is attached with a short length of picatinny rail screwed on to the rib. If someone doesn't like it just unscrew the rail and fill the holes with blank screws. Shotgun barrel on my combo gun shoots to same point of aim and the sight doesn't interfere much to me with a swinging shot at a moving target...Geo

You guys ever notice than any gun Frank Hollenbeck had a hand in always has kinda "swoopy" or "wingy" checkering patterns?

His designs always have some swoop to the checkering.

Thank you for the food for thought...
Der Ami-- 100 yards. would be a self imposed maximum after being comfortable at 50-75. So even if it is dead on at 100.... I am going to be unhappy with a foot or more high trajectory at 25 or 50 yards.
25-35 Win: I am loading 117 gr bullets while I suspect 1905 loadings were probably 86 grain. I believe I am loading very light. Sub 2000 fps for sure.

I am not a guy that believes you need a .300 win mag to kill deer, but I consider a sub 100 gr 25 caliber bullet smaller than I am comfortable with--- however if that magically corrected my issues I would consider improvement in point of aim far more comforting? Any opinions on 86 grain slow moving bullet on 120 lbs whitetail at 35-75 yards?
Any real reason to believe a lighter bullet would impact considerably lower?

My combo gun is a .43 Mauser which is 11 millimeter and good for deer, hog, probably black bear though I haven't shot one with it yet...Geo

I could be wrong, but I believe the original loading for the .25-35 Win used a 117 grain bullet when it was introduced in 1895 for the model 1894 rifle. As I recall ballistics were in the neighborhood of 2200 FPS. I would highly suspect this was the load being used in 1905.

My understanding is the .30-40 Krag was the first cartridge designed in the US as a smokeless powder round. The .30-30 was the first one introduced as a smokeless powder round for the commercial market with the .25-35 following shortly on it's heels. Original chambering of the model 1894 in 1894 was .32-40 & 38-55, both loaded with black powder. The two smokeless powder rounds came out in 1895 with improved barrel steel.

"You guys ever notice than any gun Frank Hollenbeck had a hand in always has kinda "swoopy" or "wingy" checkering patterns?
His designs always have some swoop to the checkering".

Old Frank was long gone from the company by the time this Three Barrel Gun Company version of his gun was produced, so I doubt he had much if anything to do with the checkering designs on this gun; but I believe, barring special order, the style seen here was reserved only for the model featuring the deer and bear scene engravings (maybe the highest standard grade offering by TBGC at the time?). Many of the early higher grade Hollenbeck Gun Company marked models lack cheek panel checkering; but those that do feature an entirely different style, and some will also feature tear-drops. Early Hollenbeck Gun Co. grip panel checkering is also less likely to have the exaggerated wing panel checking extending into the comb as seen on this TBGC gun. On the Hollenbeck by Syracuse Arms Company models none of the early Hollenbeck marked high grades I've seen had wing panels; those extra flourishes are seen only on the later production C and D Grade Syracuse marked guns made long after Mr. Hollenbeck was gone from that company also. Frank Hollenbeck also designed the Baltimore Arms Company gun, and I can't think of any maker who more elaborately embellished their gun with checkering than Baltimore did with their Grade D gun; but I understand that Mr. Hollenbeck's affiliation with the Baltimore Gun Company had already ended before the first Baltimore gun was ever produced. For whatever my opinion is worth (worthless mostly), I believe the owners of the Three Barrel Gun Company adopted this exaggerated checkering pattern in an attempt to give their version of Hollenbeck's gun a slightly different/new look; and I can't think of a simpler manner in which to do so than utilizing a different checkering design. Unfortunately for them, and for us; the Hollenbeck gun and Frank's idea never took hold with the shooting public; regardless of what the gun was named. Still, these guns, in all Hollenbeck's iterations, remain most interesting guns to study and collect; and with which to bag game.

Figuring out how much taller your front sight needs to be is a simple mayb calculation based on distance you are shooting at, the sight radius and how far off you are shooting.

Once you figure out how much taller the front sight needs to be, you can just make a new one. I have done this a few different times of various guns and it always gets me right where i need to be.

Don't forget to raise your rear sight a bit before making a new front sight with a taller blade, so that you will still have some adjustment for different loads. You can do a calculation to arrive at a correct front sight height, or you can simply add a bit to the existing sight with modeling clay, duxseal, solder, or even tape for a temporary experimental blade. When you change front sights, I would strongly consider a front sight pusher rather than pounding on the sight dove-tail with a drift for removal and installation so you don't risk loosening a rib solder joint.

Seems strange that the present sight puts you so far off the mark. Is it possibly an incorrect replacement? It would be nice to keep the original with the gun, but why bother if it isn't really original?

The gun in question is a No. 1 Grade --



one up from the entry-level No. 0 Grade. $125 was a lot of money in the first decade of the Twentieth Century. Could buy five 00-Grade L.C. Smiths, K-Grade Remingtons or DS-Grade Lefevers.

I would love to find a magazine page from this vintage that also has a Baltimore Arms Co. ad on it --



for three companies building Frank Hollenbeck designs at the same time.

OK, I will try again
You are having problems with your .25-35 shooting high
OK here goes
Lyman 43rd Edition Reloading Manual
87 grain bullet
4198 from 2260 to 2610 FPS
3031 from 2310 to 2795 FPS
4064 from 2341 to 2749 FPS
4320 from 2370 to 2730 FPS

And there are more loads for heavier bullets

http://www.chuckhawks.com/25-35Win.htm

Mike