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send the gun to gunther...he will make it shoot.
keep it simple and keep it safe...
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Speaking of Ithacas, IMO anyway, the only Ithaca side-by-side guns worth owning if you want to shoot modern 2&3/4" loads are the NID series- I looked up Ithaca double gun values in my 2014 edition of the Blue Book- for reasons which I can't quite fathom- a Flues No. 2 grade 12 gauge and a NID No. 2 12 gauge are considered to have the same retail values, condition being equal between the two Ithaca models-
The later versions of the Nitro Special are all 2 3/4" guns, have a few of the same features as the NID, and are more than up to the task. They cost less than the NIDs, or Flues, for what that is worth. Best, Ted
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The fit and finish of early flues guns were far superior to that of any NID made. They should not discounted.
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EBay is what you make it sometime. Value if you know what it is and the seller doesn't or if they can't spell worth a dime. You got that right. I once picked up a new looking Lyman hollow base mold for a Colt 1860 Army at a very attractive price. Owner new exactly what it was & listed it as such. Another mold having the same mold number as this one, but looking much used was listed at the same time & sold for more than twice what I as the only bidder paid for mine. That seller had listed it as a mold for a .45 Colt. In this case it wasn't that the seller didn't know, just that apparently no-one was wanting what he had except me.
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The fit and finish of early flues guns were far superior to that of any NID made. They should not discounted. Well, yes, excepting that they shouldn't be fed modern ammunition. Best, Ted
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po The fit and finish of early flues guns were far superior to that of any NID made. They should not discounted. Well, yes, excepting that they shouldn't be fed modern ammunition. Best, Ted and, thankfully, we now have fine low pressure ammo available to us from polywad and rst, etc.
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keep it simple and keep it safe...
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Doug Turnbull used to have a large supply of NID parts, they were all nicely cataloged by factory part # and in a large parts drawer cabinet set up. Came right from Ithaca when the factory was closing up.
But that was some time ago when I was there,,maybe they are gone now,,might be worth a call or email to at least ask.
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If the Flues was all that great for the newer smokeless powders, why didn't Lou Smith and the design crew at Ithaca offer a Flues 12 in 3" chambering in the early 1920's, to compete with the Fox HE, and the L.C. Smith LongRange models.?? And why did Ithaca drop the Flues SBT in favor of the Frank Kickerbocker designed SBT. For my $, make mine a NID every time.
And I shoot low fps. RST loads in my Grade 2 12 gauge NID (mfg. aprox. 1926) as I do in my 12 gauge L.C. Smiths- both pre-1913 graded and post 1914 graded Smiths- also Remington and AA loads at 1150-1200 fps. range. Same loads I would shoot if I owned a 12 Flues-exception being, for the Flues I would have to order the more expensive 2&1/2" RST loads, for the Smiths and the NID, I can use 2&3/4" shells all day long.
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emil flues created the design for the ithaca flues gun around 1906, when smokeless powder was still relatively new and generated pressures similar to black powder...one of the results of ww1 was the development of so called improved smokeless powders, which created significantly higher pressures than did the older smokeless compounds...the original flues guns were not designed to handle high pressure loads...as a result, ithaca did beef up the flues receiver and add an extra screw to the forend around 1918...flues model guns were then phased out of production in 1925...and replaced by the new ithaca double, aka nid...which is an even stronger gun than the late flues...
keep it simple and keep it safe...
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Try Emil Flues- a German born gun designer who lived in Saginaw Michigan- not "emil flues"- otherwise, you have it exactly right about the WW1 and the change in gunpowders used for center-fire rifles and also for shotguns. And your comment about the added screw in the forearm about 1918 is also correct- I am amazed..
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