Yup- here are a few examples of their "Fubars" from the Gun Library at the Grandville MI store-- an Ideal Grade 16 gauge DT, Ext, at $2650 asking price.. cracks at the lock and both tangs, rust pits on the barrels near the splinter forearm,dents also-- and the barrels were cut from 30" to 26&3/4"-- and here's the "kicker"-- it is a 20 gauge, not a 16- FW series of course-- want another example, just in the double shotgun realm-- OK- a "pre-Flues" Ithaca - a New Ithaca Gun 12 gauge hammerless with Damascus barrels 12 gauge listed as a Ithaca NID - and for only $2750-- it is a Grade 3, apparently. Try to tell their GL "dudes" where they are in error is like shoveling shit against the incoming tides--