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Ken,

Respectfully, in my opinion, the thing that got Misfires closed was little different than what got the Second Amendment Informational Thread removed from it's place at the top of this page. I really don't miss Misfires, but I regret that certain folks here think they can now pretend to be something they aren't. That's why I frequently "dredge up" things I know they would like to think are gone.

I totally understand your pet name for King, and chuckle every time I see it. I wish there were more people here with your intellect, your tenacity, and your regard for our Constitution..

PM sent to answer your concerns, and all the best to you my friend.

Thanks, and a happy New Year to you. We'll continue this by PM.

Regards
Ken

Sad how threads get diverted.

People are capable of reason, but unfortunately not prone to it.

I wish people would argue based on the subjects raised and avoid the personal, which includes speculation about why the original pooster erred, as opposed to discussing what he is in error about.

Upgrading guns in Germany was not uncommon. The NID he posted photos of though not a true Lefever is nice, but still an upgrade.

I appreciate the knowledge of those who see the tell tale signs so I can learn from them.

As for the ad hominem attacks, I don't see the value in them and they reveal more about the frustration of the poster than they do about the target.

They may be in part right, though I can't know that and most likely they can't either


PS God Bless you keith

Do note the gun in question was not an NID, it was a Nitro Special. As to whether or not it is an Upgrade depends upon ones definition of Upgrade. I think of an Upgrade as when ones takes one of the basic models of a particular model & has it "Up-Graded" to a higher grade of that same model gun. Example take an H grade Lefever & upgrade it to an A grade.
With this definition this gun was not an Upgrade as Ithaca never made a Nitro Special in a grade such as this.

Miller, I think Old COL is referring to the photos posted back on p. 1--not the Nitro Special.

In both cases, perhaps more accurate to describe them as "customized" guns vs upgrades.

With Larry on this one. Customized guns are one thing. They often involve frame sculpting and custom non-factory style engraving. Upgrading it trying to take something like a Parker VHE and turning it into an AH. Or take a Fox A grade and turn it into a D grade. I've done both and like both equally. I have as I've gotten a bit older like the upgrades more then the customs.

The subject gun of this thread was the "Up-Gradsed"?? gun marked Lefever Arms Co, Ithaca NY. I assumed that was the gun Old COL was referring to as he chastised those who "Got off Thread".
As such it is a Nitro Special, Not an NID. An NID would not carry the Lefever name on it.
If in fact he was referring to the NID which was shown as an example then I apologize. I believe though it would still not be classified as an Up-Grade as it does not follow the pattern of higher grade NID's

No apology needed and no offense taken.

My point is some posts are pointed as personal diatribes and not helpful. I Normally abstain from commenting on them, but this thread just tripped my trigger.

I accept the correction on NID vs Nitro Special.

Upgrade vs Customized is in some respects subjective. It would be nice if the language used in gun industry was consistent, but there are examples of the companies themselves for advertising purposes twisting things about.

I agree you defining the actions on the guns as customization is a better terminology than mine of Upgrade and accept that "Upgrade" is better used if the gun was changed to reflect the specific features of a higher grade gun. The only challenge when looking at specific models or grades is that the companies themselves were not consistent on their features within their grading as many of the higher grades were custom orders.

All said the thread which started with the focus of whether the gun left factory with the engraving, carving et al or was an after market job I believe the collective wisdom is it did not.

I find the reasoning of those who held that on both this site and the Lefever site sound in terms of the metal fit, model, and knowledge of then factory products convincing.

Actually old colonel, it is just a matter of WHO comments that trips your trigger. I note that you offered your personal blessing to me right after you made your lecture on getting personal.

While you are on your knees, maybe you can ask the Lord to cure you of your hypocrisy, as we discussed in your recent PM exchange to me.

It is not WHO, it is what and how. Your reaction to my comment proves my point.

Your policy of introduction of personal attack is what it is. You insertions into threads pointed at individuals, has no place on this board. I am waiting for your development of the cut and paste inserts on me as you have others. Maybe if you look hard enough you can find something evil in my soul I have missed. I can't imagine how much energy you have spent saving tidbits for your diatribes.

If you take it personally, so be it; there are many on this board who are offended by your repeated diverting dribble.

You have demonstrated some good knowledge of doubleguns and have contributed positively and could contribute more positively to this board. Unfortunately with the good comes your usual nastiness.

I can live with your belief I am a hypocrite, just as I live with the belief you hide behind your screen name and your attacks are mean spirited, nasty, and generally valueless. I once thought in another place and time I could enjoy a drink and conversation with you. Not sure it is worth the bother.

If you don't like your rants being pointed out then don't rant.