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I think that establishing a manufacturing year is just an estimate. So many things can happen to a numbered gun before its manufacturing year comes up. As an example, a finely engraved gun might end its manufacturing process long after a plain gun with a close serial number.
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I believe that it is possible to find benchmarks for production vs year but there are exceptions and it would be an approximation. With the A&D Body Action w/ only lower scears @ Nr. 92, makes one wonder if there were parallel serialization w/ hammerguns have one sequence & hammerless having another??? C. Daly Anson & Deeley Brevete(APUN) Nr. 212 Cheers, Raimey rse
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Lindner Daly 10 g JB Patton, what can you tell us about your 10 bore? Cheers, Raimey rse
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Charles Daly Nr. 001 - sidelever w/ encircled PB on flats: Charles Daly Laminated Steel Cheers, Raimey rse
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Charles Daly Nr. 1332 w/ 1st Lindner style control stamp: LE or EE initials coupled w/ Crossed Sidearms surmounted by a Crown. Cheers, Raimey rse
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So, now we have an "overlap" of serial numbers, as to when the first Lindner mark was used. Earliest example being 1332, with 1569 lacking the Mark, as pertaining to the first Lindner serial number sequence, after the five digit Scott numbers.
Probably a good example of what Daryl noted, with 1332 being released later, after engraving. Is it reasonable to think the mark was applied at the end of the process, right before the gun is released?
Number 001 carries the circled PB, same as both Joe's and my gun, which have the five digit Scott numbers.
Regards Ken
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Hard to tell, but 001's tubes may have looked something like this when new..
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Ken61:
Unless someone produces an image of Nr. 1569 showing the absence of the Crossed Sidearms surmounted by a Crown, I say that it wears the mark as that is how I have it in my notes and also the initials of the tubeset knitter was KS. Of course my notes could be wrong. 1569 is greater than 1332 so I'd say that said mark occurs earlier as the dataset that folks have been working from is say 1/10 of the overall production, being some 4k examples, so sampling is from a very finite set. Lindner & company was probably churning out say a dozen to dozen & 1/2 per month. Nr. 1332 has minimal engraving & would have more than likely not been delayed w/ respect to production.
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Raimey,
Here's the source of the confusion about 1569. It's your post #466969, on page six of the previous thread. Please clarify, I'm basically just providing analysis, and certainly do not claim to have done the research.
Charles Daly 10 Bore 162 Charles Daly 10 bore 601 has CFW initials Charles Daly 10 bore 796 with Jones Underlever was made in late 1871 or in 1872 C.F. Schilling St. Louis 953 with AS on left tube with AH in Action well Charles Daly 10 bore 1033 has wide forend latch Deeley & Edge but not Lindner marks Charles Daly 1092 with RS on tube and AR in action well Thomas L. Golcher 1120 2 barrel set(No. 134?) - McPhail Charles Daly 20 bore 125x possibly with English preliminary Charles Daly 1366 has AS Charles Green Rochester NY has AS Charles Daly 10 bore 1569 has KS and no Lindner marks Thomas Golcher 1662 no initials but H.A. Lindner stamps Thomas Golcher 1741 has RS and H.A. Lindner stamps Charles Daly 10 bore 1846 has H.A. Lindner's stamps Charles Daly 10 bore 2015 has KS & H.A. Lindner stamps Thomas L. Golcher - 212x with H.A. Lindner stamps George W. Golcher 2187 no initials but H.A. Lindner stamps Thomas Golcher 2403 has KS and H.A. Lindner stamps Joseph Jakob 2962 has H.A. Lindner stamps A&D Brevete #1152 Joseph Jakob 3246 has H.A. Lindner stamps Joseph Jakob 3241? in calibre 40-82 Charles Overbaugh 3474 has RS and H.A. Lindner stamps
Regards Ken
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Lindner Daly 10 g JB Patton, what can you tell us about your 10 bore? Cheers, Raimey rse Sure Raimey, What would you like to know? I have a diamond grade hammer 10 and another field grade hammer 12 also. Best regards, JBP
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