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Oh yeah, no doubt. I just meant, does it mean that Baker actually acquired the name...or maybe just there's some sort of statute of limitations on the ownership of a name that isnt in use.
New Haven Arms Co ceased to exist in 1866 (i think), so maybe by a certain date anyone could use it.
Im not asserting anything...just spitballing. So anyone with specific knowledge here, please chime in.
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New Haven Arms may have been the name of a company. But was it regerstered and regerstered as a trade mark? If I had a name back then I would also regerstered a few knockoff names as well. Parker should also own Barker, T Barker, Westley Richards should have owned W.Richards.
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Tough to cover'em all. If they'd tried, there would probably be tons of Belgium "Perkers" floating around...
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I have a copy of "Two Shots" Multi-Barrel Long Gun Patents and their Inventors by Larry B Schuknecht.The only patent he lists for Aug 12, 1884 is #303411 issued to H Allender of Detroit MI. It is stated to cover Hammerless Cocking Mechanism, Lock Up, Single Trigger & Safety. Have not looked it up to see if it looks applicable to this gun or not.
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2-piper,
Many thx. Sounds like a book i need to look out for.
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Here is one marked New Era that also has the Patent date around the circle with the mad duck --  
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Here it is online.
Henry Allender Aug. 12, 1884 patent http://
www.google.com/patents?id=oLdAAAAAEBAJ&printsec=abstract&zoom=4&dq=henry+allender#PPA1,M1
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Researcher,
I knew you'd chime in here some time. You nailed it...same scene with patent date and swirl flourishes above. Got to be New Era, as others suspected.
Do you think Baker acquired the name rights to New Haven, or think the name was just too many years out of use, ao they could do so freely?
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It's not a "New Era" gun unless marked so. New Era was a Trade Name, owned by someone else other than Baker. Other makes than Baker were also marked New Era. Baker just marked them that way to order. Same deal as New Haven. I seriously doubt Baker owned any trade names. The important thing to note is that it is a Baker variant. I've got a Grade A (and several Batavia Leaders) in the shop right now, it has the same spring loaded wedge coming from the lug as the gun in Researcher's pic.
Whoever owned New Haven at that time thought that guns marked with their name had more marketing appeal than guns merely marked Baker. They probably had to pay extra for it.
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Ken
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Ken61,
Thx for clarifying Ken, i understand that New Era was a catchall name that included several makers guns. The important thing for me is that we nailed down the actual maker in this case...and it's Baker. Reasearcher's pics solved it, as this gent's gun is very obviously the same. Right down the identical etching and patent info. Same cocking mechanism, same protruding extractor cam. Definitely the same gun.
Now here's the followup: Can we date its DOM?
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