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Asking for a tax is more than an admission of guilt, as you and Joe say, James. It may cut off noses.The proposed Mexico border tax will be paid by Americans buying those goods, a double-whammy, the kind of mistake that would stop what old colonel is suggesting before it started.

King, as I'm sure you know I was responding to his singularly stupid post. Not his philosophical bent. I happen to know what his bent is, know that the stupid post comes from that place but the reasons why not to just buy Bismuth and ITX are clear for all. Especially on this site. Perhaps our friend from Montana would make better use of his and our time by making a cogent argument in favour of the use of non-tox.

THAT might add some value to this discussion.


Although I already know why he doesn't. Because he doesn't have the evidence to support the bans. Just the philosophy.

I don't think it will be paid by Americans. I think it will be paid by Mexicans illegally in the US, sending their remittances home. As Trump suggests, a little 15-20% tax on sending that $23 billion home each year and that wall is paid for toot suite!

And if the tax dries up the flow of funds.....well, the Americans win that way too.

Trump is tearing down the bullshit of the state faster than any of us could ever have dreamed of.

Read this little quote from a former Superior Court judge from New Jersey analyzing Trump's very first executive order.



Read it and weep King. The nanny state will be substantially dismantled in the next 4 years. The statists will be cleansed from the bureaucracy. Unlike the blathering of politicians that I have lived with my entire life, Trump clearly means business. And for those a bit on the thick side, what Trump's outrageous trweets and complaints about crowd size or whatever serve to do is to deflect attention of the easily misled press onto non issues and away from the lighting quick, serious changes he's making in dismantling the leftist edifice.

The English are tired of it, the Dutch are tired of it, The Germans and Swedes are running out of patience. Change is coming, baby!

Obama talked about change....Trump is actually doing it.

I think a properly mounted campaign to reverse the rulings on lead could have success in the next 4 years.

Canvasback: I'm not trying to be obtuse. Rather just stating the current legal options for using your vintage double with non-toxic shot for waterfowl. Purchasing Bismuth or ITX shot is just a couple clicks away on the internet. And none of us are getting any younger. Why spend thousand-equivalent in retirement hours pulling yourself backwards through a knothole to change laws or regs. when instead you can purchase legal shells and just go waterfowling ASAP. Turn that frown upside down!

Trump's good for two terms by completing massive infrastructure, roads, canals, highways etc. Will Americans accept the debt that goes with it? Most sound like Hayek disciples, particularly the GOP, hooked on costs and not the benefits. That'll be a big change.

Because Canada stupidly follows the American lead on this bullshit. Because Bismuth, tungsten variants and ITX are next to unavailable or outrageous expensive. Because it keeps young hunters out of the game. Because the load selection is so limited that unless you roll your own, you can't shot this stuff out of old guns....pressures and recoils are too much.

I have stacks of Kent TM. I'll be buying a bunch of lower cost bismuth in preparation for next year. I've been hunting for over 40 years and I'm not about to stop.

But, you dumb selfish Fudd, this isn't about me.

And isn't this thread prompted by the asshats efforts to spread the stupid lead ban beyond waterfowl and into upland???

Aren't we getting off old colonel's notion of a particular place for a particular group at a particular time that wouldn't upset the public interest, like the old guys who go off alone to the lounge for their stogies and drinks after dinner? (Why they ditch women who always have something more than stale macho is beyond me.)

I don't think anyone is suggesting a full-court press to reverse lead ban for water fowling generally or ploughing old ground again about the efficacy of non-tox in particular areas or no requirement for it generally for upland, are we? Couldn't old colonel's "fantasy"---which I don't think it is---strengthen one size doesn't fit all?

James, you leave me with the impression you want reversal of lead everywhere. I thought we agreed generally here that horse is long gone. old colonel posited the possibility of limited lead authorization as a way back for a special group or category that wouldn't make another antis' Guy Fawkes Day.

That would be such a small segment of the hunting community that I doubt they'd get anywhere. Not enough "squeak" in that "wheel" to attract grease. There are a whole bunch of guns out there through which steel should not be shot. But the problem is, you can't collect very many of them into a neat little group via something as simple as date of manufacture. Damascus only . . . I think the simple response from the feds would be "But those guns are all dangerous if shot with any kind of modern load. Only good for hanging on the wall." Within this little group, we know better. But try convincing many people outside of this little group.

Years ago, a poster here had a Damascus-barreled LC. He wanted to shoot it at his club. They wouldn't allow it. He got stubborn, sent it to the UK for modern reproof. It passed. That apparently satisfied the powers that be at his club . . . but I doubt it would satisfy the feds. OK for those Brits to do stuff like that, but not in the US of A, by God!

King, stupid laws and regs are just that, stupid.

If they are stupid, if their purpose and intent can't be backed up by quality science or real (not torqued) public opinion based on truth rather than manipulation opinion based on lies, half truths and spin, then it doesn't matter if the laws is 80 years old. It should be dumped.

And BTW, if I seemed less than civil with GG, I meant to be. His comment was flippant and obviously designed to troll. He got what he was asking for.

'We can only hope!