My good friend, Mr. Lien, has probably used the 800B as long as I have. For me, that's about high school. I bought my first 375 PW in high school and the 800s a little later. I would like to hear (again) KY Jon's story about his experience with the 800B, which involves a trip across the Chesapeake Bay Bridge when he lived in MD. My good friend, Joel Gross, a great collector, fellow shooter, and Ithaca gun designer, describes the 800B as the "Ponderous Warren". Even though he is a talented watchmaker, he finds the PW 800B a bit hard to handle. I still have three of them on the bench after fifty years, but the .410s are gone.