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Let's not forget what Ed Good really thinks about our right to keep and bear arms:














In my opinion, the only person who has been more reliably against our 2nd Amendment Rights than Ed Good is his friend and fellow anti-gunner, King Brown. Birds of a feather!

gee keet, could it be that we dont care what you think about what i think? zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...

Entering a antique gun-by mistake into bound book, does not make it a firearm.It should be able to be rectified by using "Inadvertent entry. Pre-1899 manufactured gun No FFL required" in the disposition column.Or make a single line through error and note

A call to your IOI to confirm would not hurt as he would be the one inspecting it.
As they-antique firearms, are outside the ATF jurisdiction,like air guns,they are not to be entered-knowingly,in the bound book.

http://orchidadvisors.com/wp-content/upl...Compliance2.pdf

How many audits have you been through Dave? My guess is none.

I never once said entering it by mistake made it a firearm. What I did say was I try to avoid violations by having a CYA policy as do most FFL holders.

Your free to draw a line through your entry in your bound books. I'll be sending mine to an FFL holder or have a 4473 and a NICS number for my books. Most guys who stay in business feel the same as I do.

Ed Good,

If the captioned quotes above are indeed your words, I can tell you fat King George would have proudly called you his "subject." Those words are flacid attempts at virtue signalling the degree to which you are at pains to be "reasonable."

If our founders had been similarly as "reasonable" we would be waiving the Union Jack today.

Always remember that those who would subjugate us to the wonders of authoritarian Govt will ALWAYS appeal to people's desire to see themselves, and be seen by others, as "reasonable"..."cooperative"...and "moderate."

Now please direct me to where I can find a book about "great moderates in American history"...or even "great moderates in world hjstory."

You can not. History has ALWAYS hinged upon despots who subjugate, sometimes overthrown by freedom seeking radicals who refuse to cooperate.

More guns...more gun owners...equals a greater beachhead of liberty.

- Nudge

Steve, do whatever you want I could care less !

Once again,a mistaken entry of a antique firearm in a bound book does NOT make it a firearm requiring a FFL or 4473 NICS check,the mistake can be easily rectified as is common by drawing a line though it and initialing it.This is supported by both Orchard Advisors-NSSF compliance partner,and conversations I have had with IOI agent.

http://orchidadvisors.com/wp-content/upl...-Compliance.pdf

"if you need to make corrections to your paper bound book, remember to make a single line through the error (no eraser or white-out). Then initial and date the change
made.

As I also suggested,a confirmation from your IOI would also be beneficial as he/she is the one who will audit you.

It didn't appear to me that DaveK was making the claim that SKB said that entering an Antique in the bound ledger makes it a firearm. But Dave did politely inform him that it is indeed possible to delete or negate an Antique that has been erroneously entered as a modern post-1898 gun.

I've heard SKB's excuse for entering obvious Antiques just to play it safe. By that logic, he should be entering both original and modern replica muzzleloaders just in case they might be converted to breech loaders. Or maybe he might wish to get an Any Other Weapon classification for water pipe that could be fashioned into a zip gun.

Nudge commented on the anti-2nd Amendment quotations I provided to illustrate Ed Good's (and King Brown's) views on our gun rights. I assure him those are their exact words just as they posted them on this forum. Most of their anti-2nd amendment blather was posted on Misfires which explains why they are glad that sub-forum has been locked. Now they'd like to hide from their words and pretend they support our Constitutional RKBA. Dishonesty is not civility.

"You realize you're just honking at driverless cars."

Couple stuck in a traffic jam in NYC...today's Pepper and Salt in the Walleye Journal.

Reminds me of you guys when you get on ed and King.


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Yep....just as I thought, never been through an audit.

The point I was making, which you completely missed, is that the goal of an FFL holder is to not rock the boat. The auditor may or not feel like hearing your story. If they are in a bad mood, they write you for the violation and you have to prove you were in compliance. Time and energy I do not have to waste. When you import as shipment of guns you submit a form 6 and then a 6A to confirm what was in the shipment. The last thing I need is to have a bunch of imports crossed out and say they were actually antiques. Then what? maybe send the ATF a note telling them not to worry about logging in half the shipment, really just antiques you see. THAT will raise a bunch of questions. Questions you do not need or want.Likely a bunch more paperwork too.

You can call the local ATF office and ask someone to give you an interpretation of an issue as they see it. That does not mean your inspection will been done by the same IOI officer or that the one who does your inspection will see things the same way. You are most likely technically correct in that an antque can be edited in the book with a simple cross out. You may also want some proof to back your antique claim especially if and when dealing with small obscure makers in a situation where a serial number alone is not proof. Why would I or any other FFL holder want that kind of headache? We do not and that is my point.

Thanks Keith,
and that is the point-BTW Steve,as usual,as NO clue about what I may or may not have been through audit wise or me.He just likes to think he is special.

Once again,addressing the OP,if you have mistakenly made an entry of a known antique firearm,it is common practice for errors in bound books,noted by both NSSF,Orchard Advisors and used by many FFL's ,to simply draw line through it and,once again,suggested if you feel the need to call your IOI (you can BTW easily note the time/date/subject,again as many FFL's do should another IOI question it as I do anytime I call).