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The Beesley ledger records a fair number of guns ordered to match a previously made Beesley, or in a few cases, to match a Purdey. Having also interrogated the Purdey records the same was reflected there, a gun made up to match an older one.

I don't believe it was that unusual back in the late 1800s to order a gun to match an existing one and to make a composed pair. As driven shooting became popular more pairs were ordered as such and made up with consecutive numbers, of course.

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If I were extending the LOP on those guns I think Leather covered pads would be the way I'd consider first. I'd also give them a light refurbishing by someone like Perodeau or Merrington. Then I would shoot RST or Polywad 2 1/2" cartridges in the all day until my shoulder was sore.....and that'd be a long time. Congratulations on a beautiful pair reunited! I'd love to know more about the good General/Colonel who originally purchased them. Maybe he gave himself a promotion present with #2.

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Jeremy, do you have the book by David Baker?

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Originally Posted By: treblig1958
Jeremy, do you have the book by David Baker?

Yes I do. I've had periodic e-mail correspondence with him as well but not recently. It is an excellent reference. I have some other Horsley guns that fill out some of the information he had to speculate on in places but haven't made it to passing that informaton on.
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A little on Edmund Herbert, whom I believe to be the EA Herbert of this composed pair of Horsleys.

Edmund Herbert
Home was Moynes Court near Chepstow, just inside the Welsh border.
During the Boer War, Lt EA Herbert served in the 6th (Inniskilling) Dragoons
Shortly thereafter it is my guess that he spent a year or two as part of the Royal Household, since he was awarded a MVO, Member of the Victorian Order, in the gift of the sovereign for service to their household.
He had an interesting daughter, Mary Katherine Herbert, born 1.10.1903 in Ireland, educated Slade School of Art, London University & University of Cairo. Commissioned Section Officer WAAF 15.1.1941, joined SOE F Section March 1942, landed in France by sea 31.10.1942, arrested 18.2.1944 Bordeaux, released, married Claude Marc de Baissac 11.11.1944 London (1 daughter Claudine).

3rd Battalion the Duke of Wellington's (West Riding) 6th (Inniskilling) Dragoons.—Lieut.-Colonel and Brevet Colonel E. A. Herbert, M.V O., on completion of his period of service in command, is placed on half-pay. July 2, 1908.

The Welsh Border Mounted Brigade was commanded from 4 April 1912 by Colonel E.A. Herbert. He was promoted to Brigadier General on 5 August 1914 and remained in command until the brigade was absorbed into 4th Dismounted Brigade. The Welsh Border Mounted Brigade was a formation of the Territorial Force of the British Army, organised in 1908. After home defence service, it was posted to Egypt where it was absorbed into the 4th Dismounted Brigade in March 1916. As the name suggests, the units were drawn from the areas adjacent to both sides of the England–Wales border, notably Denbighshire (Wales), Cheshire and Shropshire (both England). The brigade was mobilised on 4 August 1914 at the outbreak of the First World War and moved to East Anglia. It joined the 1st Mounted Division in September 1914, replacing 2nd South Midland Mounted Brigade which moved to 2nd Mounted Division. The East Suffolk Gazette of 29 June 1915, reported on Sports at Beccles, being the military sports of the Welsh Border Mounted Brigade which provided quite a pleasant afternoon's recreation on Wednesday. Mrs Lloyd, wife of Lieut Colonel A Lloyd, MVO, distributed the prizes in place of Brigadier General EA Herbert, MVO, who was an interested spectator of the sports. In November 1915, the brigade was dismounted. It was replaced in 1st Mounted Division by 2/1st Welsh Border Mounted Brigade when it departed for Egypt. The brigade was posted to Egypt in March 1916. On 20 March, Welsh Border Mounted Brigade was absorbed into the 4th Dismounted Brigade (along with the South Wales Mounted Brigade). 4th Dismounted Brigade was later renamed as 231st Brigade in the 74th (Yeomanry) Division.
Colonel EA Herbert MVO took command of 4th Dismounted Brigade on formation, and remained in command when the brigade was converted to 231st Brigade. This was an infantry brigade of the British Army that saw active service in World War I. It was formed by re-designation of an existing formation. In World War I it fought in Palestine and on the Western Front. 231st Brigade was commanded by Brigadier-General E.A. Herbert (commanding Welsh Border Mounted Brigade since 1912) from formation until 28 April 1917. In the London Gazette of 21 June, 1918 Colonel EA Herbert MVO was placed on the half pay list on ceasing to command a Cyclist Brigade from 5th April 1918. He died in 1948.

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Originally Posted By: trw999
A little on Edmund Herbert, whom I believe to be the EA Herbert of this composed pair of Horsleys.

...Tim


Tim,
Yes that fleshed out the information I'd tracked down and the conclusion I came to. No guarantee but he seems like the most likely candidate.
Thanks.

Jeremy

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