Well, I have more faith in what I find there than at Cabela's. crazy I drove by Gander Mountain in Fredericksburg Va yesterday. The parking lot looked like it had about dozen cars in it. That was on very, very congested Northern Vargina road. They probably had some blue-boxed 'C.I.P' (not CIP/M) Fiocchi 16ga game loads. I feel bad now for not stopping there. cry