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I have a Greener built for ducks. 2 3/4 chambers made in 1898.
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I have a 16ga Webley&Scott model 700 which is a '60s gun imported by Abercrombie&Fitch. It is 2 3/4" and I think original because it was built for the American market...Geo You are lucky. Both 1oz Federal #6 and Australian Winchester 1oz #8s can be had at Walmart. Those are not in locked cabinet so you don't have to wait for clerk to open case and ring you up. Nice. Australian Winchester shot shells?? At Walmart?? Will someone please explain. I am not familiar with these. What differences are there in them from US Winchester shells??? As you probably know Browning shot shell line is loaded for Browning by Winchester. When you look at 12ga or 20 ga loads from either Winchester or Browning line the side of box is imprinted Made in USA, but when it comes to 16ga loads the shells are loaded in Australia. Both 1oz Winchester and Browning branded shells are loaded to 1165fps the only difference Winchester line uses Cheddite cases labelled Winchester while Browning 16ga line is loaded into shells with couple of stars at the base. No mistake the grey boxed Winchester 1oz #8 shot shells sold at Walmart come from Australia. If you look at back of the box the shot cup pic looks different from US loaded shells. Anyway those are premium shells priced at over $9 per 25 cartridge box.
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They aren't too rare. If you spent less time trolling people here and more time looking around, you could find out for yourself.
Certain makers specialized in heavier type fowling & pigeon guns, so obviously guns bearing their names will have 2 3/4" chambers over makers who's specialty was making light game guns.
My G.E. Lewis is from 1905, original 2 3/4" chambers, it's odd that it's proofed for 1 1/8 oz instead of the more common 1 1/4 oz. My guess it was made for a fella who specialized in wood pigeon & shore bird gunning. The action is profusely engraved with wood pigeons, plover and golden plover.
Lots of Greeners, Rossons, Lewis, Jeffrey, Wild, even Purdey's , etc out there with original 2 3/4" chambers. What I would look for is 6&3/4lb to 7lb game gun with original 2&3/4inch chambers. Never seen much use to look for English fowlers when $600 Sterlingworth extractor with 30" barrels can do just as well for less money. When it comes to old game guns the English were unsurpassed with exception of certain French guns of same period. Well, I suppose if I gave a capital F what you think, and if I really wanted one.... I guess I could've went the Sterlingworth route, but instead, I looked for and actually bought a far superior gun (in fit, finish and mechanics) built for a specialized purpose. You sure have a lot of suggestions for a guy who doesn't really actually own any double guns. Oops, I did not pay attention to your screen name. I'm ashamed not to have suggested Manufrance Robust or nice 3" Gaucher to you. Gaucher used to make SxS and O/Us with one barrel having shallow rifling to spread shot for close range use for Le or is it La Beccase? Anyway it was simple yet advanced design with special spread choke and hidden third fastener priced much like our inexpensive Savage and Stevens doubles. Please accept my sincere apology,
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Perhaps the single most common British double you'll encounter would be the Webley & Scott 700 series, which appeared right after WWII. (700, 702, 701, etc.) Most of them are 2 3/4". And the 720's--a 702 in 20ga made expressly for the US market--were 3" guns. (At under 6 pounds weight . . . I'll let someone else shoot magnums!) Early model 700 12's were 2 1/2", but most of them you'll encounter will be 2 3/4".
And like Le Fusil, I had a very lightweight G.E. Lewis from the 30's (right at 6#), that was delivered with 2 3/4" chambers, 1 1/4 oz proof.
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Not uncommon on wildfowl and live pigeon models dating way back to the Black Powder era but most game weight guns were 2 1/2" up until around the 1970's. Some of the early built Webley 700's had 2 1/2" chambers but the vast majority were 2 3/4". Lagopus.....
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Sorry, I just repeated what Larry said. Failed to read the previous post properly. Lagopus.....
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Aforementioned W&S M700, c.1966.  Apparently they came in different flavors but the 3" may just be on the label for the 20ga. Has anyone ever seen a M700 w/ original 3" chambers? 
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Barrel flats of my early Webley & Scott 700 Circa 1950 with 2 1/2 inch chambers, these shorter chambered 700's are not that common over here. 
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They aren't too rare. If you spent less time trolling people here and more time looking around, you could find out for yourself.
Certain makers specialized in heavier type fowling & pigeon guns, so obviously guns bearing their names will have 2 3/4" chambers over makers who's specialty was making light game guns.
My G.E. Lewis is from 1905, original 2 3/4" chambers, it's odd that it's proofed for 1 1/8 oz instead of the more common 1 1/4 oz. My guess it was made for a fella who specialized in wood pigeon & shore bird gunning. The action is profusely engraved with wood pigeons, plover and golden plover.
Lots of Greeners, Rossons, Lewis, Jeffrey, Wild, even Purdey's , etc out there with original 2 3/4" chambers. What I would look for is 6&3/4lb to 7lb game gun with original 2&3/4inch chambers. Never seen much use to look for English fowlers when $600 Sterlingworth extractor with 30" barrels can do just as well for less money. When it comes to old game guns the English were unsurpassed with exception of certain French guns of same period. Well, I suppose if I gave a capital F what you think, and if I really wanted one.... I guess I could've went the Sterlingworth route, but instead, I looked for and actually bought a far superior gun (in fit, finish and mechanics) built for a specialized purpose. You sure have a lot of suggestions for a guy who doesn't really actually own any double guns. Now you're trolling the guy.... That "capital F" is a two way street my yankee brother.
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I have a 12 gauge "upland" English boxlock SxS made in the 1930's (?) by Edwinson Green that has 2-3/4" chambers.
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