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Re: Kent Bismuth 2.5in 12g shells to hot? wazzabie #477066 04/04/17 07:07 PM
Joined: May 2004 Posts: 2,126 Likes: 38 New Jersey builder Sidelock
builder Sidelock Joined: May 2004 Posts: 2,126 Likes: 38 New Jersey	Has anyone tested the pressure of the Herter's low recoil 1 oz. 12g. loads running at 1060 fps? They are easy on the gun and on us but I wonder what the pressure might be. So many guns, so little time!

Re: Kent Bismuth 2.5in 12g shells to hot? wazzabie #477069 04/04/17 07:35 PM
Joined: Dec 2001 Posts: 12,743 Lynchburg TN 2-piper Sidelock
2-piper Sidelock Joined: Dec 2001 Posts: 12,743 Lynchburg TN	I totally realize I have a different outlook on this than many. Personally I am not as concerned about the max pressure as I am the overall ballistics of the load. In a Flues I would rather shoot a 1 oz load @ 1150 fps with 10K pressure than that 32 gram (1 1/8 oz) @ 1400 fps even if it only had 7K pressure. I believe I have seen as many Flues' with cracked stocks as I have L C Smiths. Also the small bore Flues in particular has been known to have a cracked frame. In either case I am of the opinion that a heavy Recoiling load is going to be the culprit more so so than the actual max breech pressure. The chamber itself will likely stand up to SAAMI pressures, the rest of the guin likely won't, at least not for regular use over a period of time. Miller/TN I Didn't Say Everything I Said, Yogi Berra

Re: Kent Bismuth 2.5in 12g shells to hot? builder #477072 04/04/17 07:57 PM
Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 14,201 Likes: 1986 somwers in Jawja Stanton Hillis Sidelock
Stanton Hillis Sidelock Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 14,201 Likes: 1986 somwers in Jawja	Originally Posted By: builder Has anyone tested the pressure of the Herter's low recoil 1 oz. 12g. loads running at 1060 fps? They are easy on the gun and on us but I wonder what the pressure might be. Give Tom Armbrust a call and ask him. SRH May God bless America and those who defend her.

Re: Kent Bismuth 2.5in 12g shells to hot? wazzabie #477075 04/04/17 08:11 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 538 Likes: 2 Wisconsin Tom C Sidelock
Tom C Sidelock Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 538 Likes: 2 Wisconsin	I posted this previously for 2 3/4" and 3". "Here's what I just received from Kent - Game Bore. 12 gauge bismuth 2 3/4", 1 1/16 ounce=9800psi, 1 1/4 ounce=10,000psi 12 gauge tungsten 2 3/4", 1 3/8 ounce=11400 psi, 1 1/4 ounce=9900psi, 12 gauge tungsten 3" are at 10,400psi and 11,300 psi" Just send them an email and I suspect you will get the pressure data for the 2.5". And then let us know what it is. Last edited by Tom C; 04/04/17 08:15 PM. Tom C �There are some who can live without wild things and some who cannot.� Aldo Leopold

Re: Kent Bismuth 2.5in 12g shells to hot? wazzabie #477084 04/04/17 09:26 PM
Joined: Jan 2016 Posts: 47 wazzabie OP Sidelock
OP wazzabie Sidelock Joined: Jan 2016 Posts: 47	so stay with RST or reload for the flues

Re: Kent Bismuth 2.5in 12g shells to hot? wazzabie #477111 04/05/17 10:02 AM
Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 5,021 Pennsylvania treblig1958 Sidelock
treblig1958 Sidelock Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 5,021 Pennsylvania	I always thought that the Flues was Ithaca's best shotgun in balance and handling. The NID is very strong but I always felt it was clunky and unbalanced when compared to their Flues. Just my useless opinion, take it for what its worth.

Re: Kent Bismuth 2.5in 12g shells to hot? treblig1958 #477112 04/05/17 10:08 AM
Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 7,726 Likes: 129 Georgia, USA Geo. Newbern Sidelock
Geo. Newbern Sidelock Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 7,726 Likes: 129 Georgia, USA	Originally Posted By: treblig1958 I always thought that the Flues was Ithaca's best shotgun in balance and handling. The NID is very strong but I always felt it was clunky and unbalanced when compared to their Flues. Just my useless opinion, take it for what its worth. Treb, I agree with you...Geo

Re: Kent Bismuth 2.5in 12g shells to hot? wazzabie #477114 04/05/17 10:42 AM
Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 7,896 Likes: 653 Red State KY Jon Sidelock
KY Jon Sidelock Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 7,896 Likes: 653 Red State	Ithaca has to beef up their doubles to handle the higher pressure loads that came out after WWI. You can get away with shooting a few hot loads in a Flues if you are lucky but long term you just going to regret it most likely. Not so much a blowup risk as cracked stock risk and I hate restocking a Flues. That's why I reload for the few 20 ga Flues I shoot. They are so light that carrying them is very comfortable but a steady diet of factory loads would end their use of quickly.

Re: Kent Bismuth 2.5in 12g shells to hot? treblig1958 #477131 04/05/17 03:09 PM
Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 877 Likes: 137 Canada CJO Sidelock
CJO Sidelock Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 877 Likes: 137 Canada	Originally Posted By: treblig1958 When I bought my 20 gauge Flues the next thing I bought was a reloading press. I would never use a recipe that was in the 10,000 to 11,000 psi range. CJO, restoring any masterpieces lately? A couple.... CJ The taste of poor quality lingers long after the cheap price is forgotten.........

Re: Kent Bismuth 2.5in 12g shells to hot? wazzabie #477137 04/05/17 04:36 PM
Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 7,896 Likes: 653 Red State KY Jon Sidelock
KY Jon Sidelock Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 7,896 Likes: 653 Red State	CJO that is such a tease. Now you'll have them begging for photos and then drooling.

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