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I think this is the first solid evidence we have of the demise of SxS guns, and old, collectible guns in general Most of us are aware that there is an elephant in the room, and this is a graphic example. When all else fails, "follow the money". That's what Tony is doing.

Steve Barnett sure has gobs and gobs of high priced side by sides and keeps adding more every day to Guns International for sale. I'm not sure he would agree that the SxS market is dying/dead?

I can't even look at an M-16 style rifle without thinking that but for 2 years difference in birth year I would have been issued one and sent to a rice paddy with it. Selective fire! Woo-Woo!

They weren't quite as highly regarded then as now.

Neither were communists. We used to shoot them instead of electing them to public office.

Times do change.

Perhaps the people that have had their guns on consignment with him for years would say so though.....

I believe it is cyclic, there will always be core diehard group of enthusiasts, the expansion and contraction of the additional people in the market will wax and wane cyclically. The high and upper midlevel guns will stay marketable. The field grade stuff will remain good entry bargains for new guys in the market

I think that it is good the field grade stuff stays within reach as without entry level stuff within reach many will not get their feet wet and become diehards.

As for the proliferation of high priced stuff such as at Steve Barnett and CSMC, much of it is overpriced.

If Tony G. couldn't succeed in the SxS & upscale O/U market with no US of A competition & declining foreign competition why does he think he can succeed in the black gun market?

The black gun market is currently where the interest is but the competition is fierce & any company with capital & a competent engineering staff can enter the market. It evolves into who can produce acceptable quality at the lowest cost & that won't be done in the Hartford Conn. area.

Tony G. had a niche market & the ability to make some very nice & desirable shotguns that sold for high $$ but quality control & customer service was/is abysmal. That had to hurt sales in what is a small market.

He will be gone from all markets just like A.H.Fox was gone after a few starts.

SxSs have been a small but dedicated segment of the market for the last 70yrs and still is. Most enthusiast prefer older guns. The new SxS market is a small segment of a small segment. Tony is getting out of the new SxS market but he is still selling vintage ones. With a glut of Black guns and some ARs under $500 Its not a market I would want to play in. Who does not make a Black gun today??

Never seen a classic black gun. Don't think there is such a thing. Don't have much use for them myself.

It upsets me to look through sporting publications and most all the hunters are shooting over and unders ,in my humble opinion they should be carrying side by sides! Bobby

Ugly, slab sided, two by fours as opposed to a sleek SxS. No accounting for taste.