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I once had a respected local gunsmith do a strip and clean on one of my sidelocks. When the gun came back with two screws not timed properly, I asked that it be reassembled again. Came back perfect.
Karl
Last edited by Karl Graebner; 07/02/17 07:53 PM.
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This is where new world can actually help old world.
Screws are just fasteners. It's a helical inclined plane to hold stuff to other stuff.
These gun screws with narrow hand cut slots look good... until the first disassembly. Then they start to look like hell.
'Cobbled', 'mistimed', etc.
There is no need for this at all. If ever there was an application screaming for a modern fastener drive system, this is it.
OMG! Blasphemy!
But really... any modern drive system, starting with a 'Security Torx' could be engraved as part of the pattern. That would look worse than a mistimed cobbled narrow slot how?
This would not necessarily require a screw machine part, just a screw made from stock with the drive system already cut in.
"The price of good shotgunnery is constant practice" - Fred Kimble
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Shotgunjones,
I recall the Torx screws used on the CSM O/U's. Not the best looking, and I remember some of the comments as to their use by perspective purchasers. Still, seemed like a useful way to keep things tight, and to prevent the dreaded "buggering" of screws.
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There is no need for this at all. If ever there was an application screaming for a modern fastener drive system, this is it.
OMG! Blasphemy!
Blasphemous indeed  I do not mind all the modern fastener alternatives, laser etching, and the latest polymer stocks if I'm getting a working gun that costs a few hundreds. When one pays the price of a nice house for a gun though they want traditional designs, laborious hand fitting, time consuming oil finish, rust blackening, and manually carved decoration. What is perfectly fine on a Beretta SP would be scandalous on a "best" gun.
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This is where new world can actually help old world.
Screws are just fasteners. It's a helical inclined plane to hold stuff to other stuff.
These gun screws with narrow hand cut slots look good... until the first disassembly. Then they start to look like hell.
'Cobbled', 'mistimed', etc.
There is no need for this at all. If ever there was an application screaming for a modern fastener drive system, this is it.
OMG! Blasphemy!
But really... any modern drive system, starting with a 'Security Torx' could be engraved as part of the pattern. That would look worse than a mistimed cobbled narrow slot how?
This would not necessarily require a screw machine part, just a screw made from stock with the drive system already cut in.
This makes about as much sense as lowering testing standards so that every one can qualify or receive a passing grade. I really don't want to see torx screws on fine guns & yes I know that a few very high end Italian makers have been using them on hidden lock parts for some time. No reason to have mistimed or buggered slotted screws on any gun new or used other than sloppy workmanship or unwillingness to do things correctly as a cost cutting / time saving measure.
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Adrian, are you looking to order a gun from Hartmann & Weiss?
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Torx is only a starting point. A 12 point flange, a double hex, or spline drive would look fine on that floor plate screw and would not draw your eye like a slot, even a brand new clean slot.
The problem with screws, is that they fit exactly once. They work by being stretched, and the final position after reassembly and proper torque is different. You want a fastener full of Locktite just so it looks 'proper'?
I realize these designs were finalized in 1875, but a slotted screw is simply not 'best' in 2017.
Fire away!
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Jones, you have got to be kidding me?
That will never happen on a gun of that caliber.
And that bottom plate screw does looked buggered.
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I know it won't.
But it does appear that the screw has backed itself out.
This is hardly uncommon.
It may be a new gun, but it's a used screw since it had to come apart for CC.
"The price of good shotgunnery is constant practice" - Fred Kimble
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The world cries out for such: he is needed & needed badly- the man who can carry a message to Garcia
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