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Personally, the significant forward balance part bothered me. That and the fact I've never liked the Ruger safety. Larry, do you measure and record balance when you shoot a new to you gun? From above, you may have some sensitivity to balance (the % of the gun's total weight carried by each hand). DDA No. I just go by feel. The GL, to me, had a very significant "weight forward" feel. Some people might prefer that. I don't. Ruger worked hard to reduce overall weight on that gun. They milled metal out of the receiver. Unfortunately, that only added to the gun's weight forward bias.
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Re light American guns: While light 12's were relatively rare (compared to Brit/European guns), light smallbores definitely were not. A lot of Ithaca Flues 20's, for example, were very light. Plenty of light Fox and Parker 20's out there as well. Although I like Parker Repros in general, one place I think they went wrong was in the weight of their 20's. Although they were 0 frame guns, they're decidedly heavier than most original 0 frame Parker 20's.
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The lightest double I have is a 20 ga custom Fox that weighs 5.4 and it is a great woodcock gun. Bobby
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One might add the following to this list:
"A 16 gauge shotgun carries like a 20 gauge, and hits like a 12 gauge." Do you disagree with the first premise or the latter, or both. Why?
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QUOTE ""A 16 gauge shotgun carries like a 20 gauge, and hits like a 12 gauge."
Do you disagree with the first premise or the latter, or both. Why?"
Both are incorrect -- 16 gauge shotguns are usually heavier than 20 gauge shotguns...and 12 gauge shotguns normally throw more shot weight at the same or higher velocity.
Nevertheless, I do own and use a 16 gauge shotgun.
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A better variation of the sixteen gauge axiom is:"It hits like a 20 and kicks like a 12" and shells are harder to come by...Geo
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I druther say "A 16 carries better than a 12 and hits harder than a 20".
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While readily that in this current age 16 gauge shells are harder to come by. "Both" of the other Axioms are of course incorrect. For instance I have one 12 ga gun which is lighter than a couple of 16's I currently own & also lighter than a few 20's I have previously owned. I Could never see carrying around a 7 lb 20ga so those took the walk. If I'm going to carry around 7 lbs of gun it may as well be a 12. "Kick" is of course a result of the weight of the gun & the load used. Any of these gauges if the heaviest available load is fired from the lightest weight gun of the gauge can have a pretty vicious kick, while if a more moderate load is fired from a gun of slightly more weight then the kick comes under control. The old 2 3/4DE with 1 1/8 oz of shot is rather comfortable from any 16 of at least 6 lbs weight for most hunting situations. The 2½ DE-1 oz is even more so, no viciousness at all there. Of course if you insist on stuffing a 1¼ "Mag" load in a sub 6lb gun doesn't matter if its a standard 16 or 3" 20 it'll Kick the Snot out of Ya, more so than a 1¼ oz load from a 7lb 12.
One axiom you can bank on is the bigger the hole down the barrel the more shot it is capable of efficiently handling & also the gun will need to be heavier to handle the more shot.
Miller/TN I Didn't Say Everything I Said, Yogi Berra
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Yes, Miller, there are exceptions. But, in general, 12s outweigh 16s, and 16s outweigh 20s.
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Actually, a 16 ga. gun carries like a 16, and hits like a 16.
Other than that, there are no absolutes due to variations in guns and shotshell loads.
I have two small frame DS grade Lefevers that are less than 500 serial numbers apart. One is a 20 ga. and the other is a 16 ga. Both have 28" barrels, and they look virtually identical except for the slightly larger diameter barrels of the 16 ga. However, the 16 ga. weighs a full ounce less than its' 20 ga. twin.
There is no logical or rational explanation for the much lower popularity of the 16 gauge shotgun... especially in a nation of gun owners who aren't satisfied with having only about two dozen .30 caliber rifle cartridges.
A true sign of mental illness is any gun owner who would vote for an Anti-Gunner like Joe Biden.
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