I started out reloading with a Lee Loader and there were a handful of recipes on the little card that came with it. It selected a Herco load and loaded 1 oz. 20 gauge loads. I quickly moved on to a MEC single stage, but I kept that old Herco load because it worked so well and I shot everything with it from general small game to ducks and pheasants, grouse, etc.. I never felt it wasn't enough and held my own with my buddies with 12 gauges, marsh or field. It was a good load. Then I started shooting trap in my mid twenties and a squad member had a chronograph, so I asked him to check out "my hunting load." I was actually concerned at that point that it might be too hot and possibly dangerous. He got back to me with the results; 1125 fps!