I was looking at shells yesterday and noted the Winchester Dove loads were 1 ounce loads being pushed at 1350fps. Unless dove have started growing Kevlar feathers that's just so much over kill. I killed more early season Dove with ammo going 1100-1150 fps that anything but never missed a bird and thought if only I had 1350-1400 fps shells I'd be better off. And even 1 once loads will be more than a decent amount of recoil going that fast.

Don't know if they push them that fast to be sure of working semi automatics or they consider that higher speed will be a marketing advantage. But it for sure is not required to give enough penetration. This faster is better myth, just bugs me.

Recent practice on clay targets is much more important to me than equipment or super express ammo. When I had Dove fields on the farm everyone had to shoot a few clay targets behind the equipment shed. That made sure their gun was working properly and gave them a chance to shoot several going away targets and half a dozen crossing targets to get the rust off their swing. Plus more than a few figured out they had their full choke tubes in their guns and could change them right there. Kind of funny watching them borrow a more open choke tube from another shooter.