Larry, I was just looking at those recipes on the Alliant site last night after mulling over this thread and also recollecting our prior conversations on these Gold Medal/Unique loads. I have all the components, so that's on this month's to-do list. I picked up a 2nd 12 ga. Merkel 200E, and while it's not as light as the prewar gun I have, it's still only an ounce over 6 1/2 pounds and a 1 1/8 pz load at 1200 fps is as hard as I want to push it.