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Konor, yes but the Cullen enquiry did not recommend a ban. It was Conservative Home Secretary Michael Howard who boasted that they were going to go further than the Lord Cullen enquiry. Seems a waste of public money to commission and enquiry and then ignore it. They weren't going to ban small bore stuff but Blair of course had to go one better. It was a time of the General Election and all political parties were riding on the backs of public outrage at a mass shooting at Dunblane. The pawns in the game were the poor old pistol owners. The gunman was dead and there was no-one else to punish. I'm no fan of Howard or Blair or for that matter most politicians. They are just after keeping their rather well paid jobs. As you know gun crime using pistols has increased by over 300% in Scotland alone in the ten years post ban. Expensive waste of time that was!

Anyway, I should welcome you to your first post. Lots of knowledge here on this site to tap into. Always good to see more members from this side of the big pond.

Buzz, I looked upon it as a Tax rebate. We all made sure that we got a fair deal on compo but it doesn't fully compensate for a loss of freedom. Lagopus.....

Thanks for the welcome lagopus I've enjoyed reading the double gun forum these last few years and have been impressed by the range and depth of knowledge of many of the posters including yourself. Brought up on the Scottish side of the Solway so I enjoy my wildfowling hence the Konor3inch moniker. I miss the times I had in the past with my .22 unfortunately I don't think we'll regain the right to own even rim fire handguns over here. I did have the opportunity to fire my American cousins .45 Wilson combat commander a couple of years back and relished every minute. I think the ban only managed to deprive a lot of people of countless hours enjoyment and now the Scottish government has introduced air gun licensing the trend is set to continue. Similar to your pistol to rifle conversion when I had to licence my Brocock air pistol I also applied and was granted permission for a .222 ,.243 and a .22 lr i.e. a Remington 700 Ruger No1 and a Winchester model 52 browning copy and I have enjoyed those .I guess when government put obstacles in your way it's satisfying to still find ways to follow your sport. All the best K

Lagopus have you the source of your 300 percent increase in crime using pistols in Scotland. The only figures I find quote an almost 80 percent decrease in pistol crime in the five years following the 19997 ban followed by a rise to 2008-2009 which did not exceed the 1997 level followed by a drop which contradicts your figures.

House of Commons Library Briefing Paper Number CBP07672 2nd August 2017
Firearm Crime Statistics Scotland written by Graham Allan and Lukas Audicas
Page 12 Table A4 .Number of offences in which a firearm was involved by type of firearm. Shows a drop in pistol offences from 2006-2007 of 76 to a figure of 43 in 2015-2016

Game is flourishing here in New Scotland where regular deer harvests were in the 55,000 range annually. Last year's was around, I read, 8,000. I mention it to beware imputing causes from numbers.

Back to Webley pistols, centrefire handguns were banned here in Ireland a few years ago (not northern Ireland). I was lucky enough to be able to buy a Webley mk iv in .22lr. All the fun without the hassle of finding ammo.

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Krasnes hardware in San Diego in 1956 sold those big bore Webleys for under 10 bucks. They were stored around the store in nail kegs, u pick one. A gob of 1/2 moon clips came with each purchase. .45 ACP ammo, if you were nice to the right people on base was free. If you got one that pierced primers, just grind a bit off the hammer spur...1917 Smiths and New Service Colts cost a few bucks more..Spanish Astras less....Simpler days...

Bonny, that's one of the odd things about the U.K. Government. They banned pistols in England, Wales and Scotland but not Northern Ireland. Lagopus.....

No, that's not odd at all. The British Government laws in Northern Ireland are way different than elsewhere. No right to a jury trial. Diplock courts still at the discretion of the Crown. Internment without any trial at all still on the books and can be instituted again at any time. Very easy to get a handgun permit if you have the right kind of politics. If or when the British Government brings back a hard border, or indeed any kind of border that negatively affects the Irish things will quickly revert to the old misery and bloodshed. It may seem like democracy in action when a slim majority of people in Wales and England vote to drag the majority of Scots and Northern Irish out of the EU with then but it doesn't seem that way to the Irish or Scots.