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Look into the Winchester AA low recoil loads at 980 or so. They are cheap! Usually between 5.99 and 7.99 plus a rebate on 8 or more boxes

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Thanks 67galaxie. I'll check them out. I've heard about those shells forever but never tried them. Hope you managed to dodge Irma okay. My impression was the worst flooding was north of Valdosta, but I'd guess floods in your neck of the woods can get pretty hairy.

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Bill, I use the Win AA low recoil shells when grouse hunting with my 5 pound Tolley 12 gauge. They work well when I do.


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Originally Posted By: billwolfe
I'm heading to northeast New York in a couple weeks to hang out with an old Coast Guard buddy and give my young cocker some quality time in pretty good grouse country. One of the guns I'll be bringing along is my 1970s 20-gauge Darne R15. It has 65-cm (~25.6") barrels choked .005" and .020" and weighs 5 pounds 9 ounces. I'd prefer a bit less choke in the left barrel, but apart from that the gun seems like an ideal grouse and woodcock gun. It is certainly fast and handy in heavy cover.

I've tended to respect the "96" and "square load" conventions and generally shot nothing heavier than 7/8 ounce from this gun, but I see lots of 1-ounce 20-gauge game loads in 2.75 length. I'm not overly concerned about either felt recoil or chamber pressure in this triple-proofed 20, but I wonder if I'd be risking wood damage firing 1-ounce loads in a 5.75-pound gun. I see quite a few old Darnes for sale with fissures in the wood and assume it reflects overly hot or heavy loads out of these light guns (even with the mythical disques obturateurs). Anyone have thoughts or experience to share?

Bill


What you need is typical 7/8 oz target grade load of 7.5s. The one ounce should be left for 16ga guys. While 16ga is perfect for this task I bought one because shopping for 12ga or 20ga ammo in American gun shop or sporting goods store is like shopping for cereal at US supermarket or like shopping for cheese or eggs in European one ie. there are far too many choices to be had.

The low recoil often called "trainer loads" in Europe are special order item not be be found at local sporting goods store a gun shop because due to limited space they only stock what they can sell. In America "low recoil" or "low velocity" sells about as good as bread or milk well past "best if used by date".

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Low recoil shells sell so poorly that a boutique industry is flourishing just to supply them!

'Buzzfile' seems to think RST does half a mil in business each year. At half a buck a shell, that's a million shells. Per year.

But then, their selection is probably too overwhelming for Jager even in 16 gauge.






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I buy all of my AA low recoils off of the shelf in academy. 20 and 12.

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If all you want is #8, AA is perfect.


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Coming up here in a couple of weeks????? You best blast out of the front of that Darne as much shot as you can.

Still a lot of thick cover up here.

Good luck!!!

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