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I took a very quick look at a IJ 12 gauge today and plan to take a better look tomorrow and take some pictures.
What caught my eye was the 30 Single barrel had a raised solid matted rib, with a narrow schnabel type forend. The reciever was case colored with an external hammer. I was told it is a IJ SBT gun. Its clearly a vintage gun in pretty good condition.
I have looked on line but have not found a similar gun.
Any ideas on what this might be?
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It is probably an Iver Johnson Special Trap. If it is original it has a 32" barrel, and I've never seen one with a case-colored action. I have two of them, and have seen others. All still had original finishes, and had matte blued actions. This is a good, original example of the gun, if badly overpriced, with what is generally believed to be the proper forend. Note that it is not the commonly found schnabel, which is likely a replacement. The era catalogs all pictured the gun as having the fuller trap style forend. https://stevebarnettfineguns.com/iver-jo...ingle-barrel-12 SRH
Last edited by Stan; 10/17/17 06:44 AM.
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Thanks Stan, yes I looked at this picture and it looks very similar except the one I looked at had a raised solid rib and case colored reciever, and a different style forend. I will try to get pictures today.
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I like that Iver Johnson. Too pricey for me though...Geo
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If it has a solid rib and a narrow schnabel type forearm, it is just a solid ribbed Champion, which came with a bit of checkering on the grip and forearm. It was made in 12-, 16- & 20-gauges and later years also .410-bore. The Special Trap with the ventilated rib was only offered in 12-gauge. Most Iver Johnson catalogs are undated, but the first I have that shows the Special Trap is A-29, which also has the Super-Trap, the vent ribbed, beavertail forearm version of their Hercules double.
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Yep, Steve's my bud, but that one is about $500 out of line afaic. I've handled that gun and it is nice, they are rare, but I just don't see it worth any where near that.
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I like that Iver Johnson. Too pricey for me though...Geo Especially with that non-original Redhead recoil pad which appears to my eyes to be set at a bad pitch.
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Thanks for the info. Helping a friend today so I did not get pictures taken. Sounds like it is not anything real spcial, although it looks decent. I am guessing there is no number designation just Champion?
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Researcher, any level of persuading to get you to repost some of your catalog photos that won't show up anymore? Your Ithaca posts were my favorite.
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The IJ trap gun, per my 1940 Shooters Bible, sold for $18. That's a real bargain compared to $115 for the least expensive Elsie SBT shown in the same book. (The standard Champion single shot was $9).
An old gunsmith friend had one of those IJ's. If someone wanted to shoot trap with a single that shouldn't cost a mint, it might be of interest.
Last edited by L. Brown; 10/18/17 07:56 AM.
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