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Great thread, guys! It may not be necessary to add this, but anyone on this board interested in diving into the MF Ideal pool would be well advised to consult some of our residient afficionados. Canvasback and Wingshooter16 were enormously helpful to me in acquiring a superb 16-bore. Ted S. has been an equally helpful and generous resource on all things Darne.
Also, it might be worth naming a few gunsmiths who are intimately familiar with the minutiae of working on these eccentric French doubles. Two I've used with complete confidence and satisfaction are JJ Perodeau and Geoffroy Gournet.
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Since this is a thread on Ideals I have had an incident that may have some bearing on those considering an Ideal with lunette triggers.
A few weeks ago while hunting pheasant I had my Ideal with lunette triggers slam fire. Fortunately no injury except to the slough mud at my feet. Thank goodness the dogs were off to one side and my feet where they should be.
In a controlled situation I tried to replicate the slam fire but could not. I suspected that one of the triggers may have been only partly engaged and was jarred with the closing of the gun. I very carefully inspected the triggers and tried to see if I could get one to only partly engage while cocking the gun but could not. Perhaps there was some foreign object in the trigger guards while loading the gun that I didn't see and it when flying somewhere when the gun discharged. Unless it happens again I may never know the reason.
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That's spooky. Keep trying to see if you can get an answer. My experience with Ideals is limited to discovering neither I, nor anyone else, can hit anything with a good friends copy. To be fair, said gun has about 48 points of choke in both barrels, and won't be in any way altered.
It may be time for a good strip and clean.
Best,
Ted
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The "Lunette" trigger guard looks cool, but it was abandoned for practicality reasons in 1910 and never revived. That same year saw the introduction of "double safety triggers" designed to prevent recoil-induced discharges. As near as I can make out from the French-language description, pulling either trigger blocks the striker of the other barrel. It doesn't sound like this spontaneous discharge was associated with a deliberate shot, so I have no idea if the newer trigger mechanism would have helped. +1 on Ted's suggestion to get it to someone who really knows these guns for a strip clean & inspection. Good to hear you & pups are okay!
Bill
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 Wingshooter16-Here ya go. Lousy cell phone photo but you get the idea. No. 205, 27 1/2" barrels. 5 lbs. 14 oz. Still need a rear swivel, the large eye type for hooks I guess. I have been looking for a new safety, as the right side tab is broken off. I have found them on the french gun site but haven't ordered one yet.
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Since this is a thread on Ideals I have had an incident that may have some bearing on those considering an Ideal with lunette triggers.
A few weeks ago while hunting pheasant I had my Ideal with lunette triggers slam fire. Fortunately no injury except to the slough mud at my feet. Thank goodness the dogs were off to one side and my feet where they should be.
In a controlled situation I tried to replicate the slam fire but could not. I suspected that one of the triggers may have been only partly engaged and was jarred with the closing of the gun. I very carefully inspected the triggers and tried to see if I could get one to only partly engage while cocking the gun but could not. Perhaps there was some foreign object in the trigger guards while loading the gun that I didn't see and it when flying somewhere when the gun discharged. Unless it happens again I may never know the reason. David, I have forgotten the particulars but I recall you having a problem with this gun(?) while it was in the care of a specific smith I'm not naming here and now. Have I got that right and is it possible some negligent action by the smith may have contributed to the problem? Perhaps not all is right in the innards! Just a thought.
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Just as an aside, and everyone is free to have their own opinion, but much as I like Ideals and having bought a number of them, I will not buy, no matter the grade, gauge or condition, a "lunette" Ideal.
Silly idea, silly execution and poor to use. Manufrance "grew up" when they ditched them during the period 1907-1909.
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Wingshooter16-Here ya go. Lousy cell phone photo but you get the idea. No. 205, 27 1/2" barrels. 5 lbs. 14 oz. Still need a rear swivel, the large eye type for hooks I guess. I have been looking for a new safety, as the right side tab is broken off. I have found them on the french gun site but haven't ordered one yet. Lovely choice on the blank- looks right at home.
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James,
One in the same gun, one in the same gunsmith The smith was only to play with the wood but who knows.
Contrary to you and my incident I quite enjoy the lunette triggers and have had no other problems. I do admit the safety feature is greatly flawed in design and execution.
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Still need a rear swivel, the large eye type for hooks I guess. I have been looking for a new safety, as the right side tab is broken off. I have found them on the french gun site but haven't ordered one yet.
Very nice piece of wood. Here are some swivel studs. I assume you have the Nap hat to attach to fitting on the barrel.Gil https://www.midwayusa.com/product/887160...=ProductFinding
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