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I have a friend who ordered a DEA from a local gun shop that was a Fausti authorized seller. He paid up front and it took a year for his new 20 bore gun to arrive from Italy. The distributor blamed the Italian laissez faire attitude toward business for the delay. For about 1/2 the money, a fabulous English-made A&D boxlock is hard to pass up.
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Owen, I'm not sure which of the Deas your friend ordered. But if you can regularly find smallbore British A&D's in really good shape for half the price, you're doing well. Brit boxlock 12's at half the price . . . lots of them on the market. But the 20's carry a pretty hefty premium. British 28's . . . the premium is well beyond hefty.
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Owen, I'm not sure which of the Deas your friend ordered. But if you can regularly find smallbore British A&D's in really good shape for half the price, you're doing well. Brit boxlock 12's at half the price . . . lots of them on the market. But the 20's carry a pretty hefty premium. British 28's . . . the premium is well beyond hefty. Brit 16's seem to me are a little higher in cost than a 12, but well below a 20 and often carry like a 20.
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Yes, but he wanted more of a waterfowl gun that is steel rated.
The Italians know how to regulate and choke barrels that throw incredible patterns to POA.
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Yes, but he wanted more of a waterfowl gun that is steel rated.
The Italians know how to regulate and choke barrels that throw incredible patterns to POA. This has been my limited experience, I only have two Italian guns, a Beretta 20ga 686, and now this Highlander, and both seam to want to shoot where they are pointed. So which British A&D guns are selling for good prices right now in 12ga? Thanks TM
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Yes, but he wanted more of a waterfowl gun that is steel rated.
The Italians know how to regulate and choke barrels that throw incredible patterns to POA. Until you want them to do something about one that isn't right. We called Beretta a few years ago about an O/U that wasn't regulated. They said if the center of the pattern is within 8" of where it is supposed to be it is within their tolerances. That's not so precise, in my book. SRH
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Beretta has no customer service that I can tell.
They flat out will not warranty wood. Period.
They still will not admit the existence of '391 bent carrier syndrome'. That's not a design defect according to Beretta.
Cole makes a nice living supporting the Beretta products since Beretta themselves will not.
Last count I have 6 Beretta products. They are all good serviceable guns. They all shoot where pointed, although others have not had the same experience.
I would not even consider one of their high end guns such as a DT-10/11 based on my experience with their after the sale disappearing act.
This is one place where Krieghoff shines. They take care of their shooters.
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