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Ancient history on barrel bursts https://books.google.com/books?id=inQCAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA91 As Miller said, Greener had trouble bursting a barrel with obstructions http://books.google.com/books?id=inQCAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA92 BUT a study by the Royal Military College of Science, sponsored by the Birmingham Proof House and the British Association for Shooting and Conservation, showed that an obstruction by 2 fibre wads (total weight of 4 grams) was sufficient to bulge or burst a 12 gauge barrel shooting a 28 gram (slightly less than 1 ounce) load. Obstructions are no problem...until they are not.
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Remington Arms ran a test many years ago and filmed it where they dropped a 20 ga shell in a 12 gun then fired it. No barrel rupture. Don't know how many times they ran the test but I saw two different guns where they did it. A 870 and a1100. I got the impression even they were surprised when it did not cause a blown barrel. Perhaps they did it for an in house test in case they got into a lawsuit over a failed barrel or perhaps they were just extreme testing their guns to destruction. Glad they never released that film because you just know some other idiot would try it and not take the safety precautions that they did.
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As you wish.
I've only seen the recent aftermath of 2 incidents.
A 12 gauge Model 12, and a 28 gauge 1100.
They both split open between the muzzle and the end of the fore stock.
That's only 2, but it's 100% of the guns that I know were fired with a stuck wad.
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Remington was sued for "poor" barrels", and settled a class action suit. I had a number of Remmies, and got a check for about $100, which I promptly endorsed to an outfit whose mission is to fight horse pucky lawsuits like this. I ended up talking to the law office. Their lack of knowledge was stunning
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KY, I've seen the result of a 20/12 accident too.
This was a Beretta 390.
No burst, but one hell of a bulge that split the forend wood into splinters and caused minor injury.
Modern barrel steel is quite ductile and it's a lot thicker just forward of the chamber than a few inches from the muzzle where I've seen the splits from stuck wads.
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You realize WTS is just messing with you, right? Buzz, in my defense, that was a pre-coffee response. Much slower prior to the ingestion of caffeine.
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Remington Arms ran a test many years ago and filmed it where they dropped a 20 ga shell in a 12 gun then fired it. No barrel rupture. Don't know how many times they ran the test but I saw two different guns where they did it. A 870 and a1100. I got the impression even they were surprised when it did not cause a blown barrel. Perhaps they did it for an in house test in case they got into a lawsuit over a failed barrel or perhaps they were just extreme testing their guns to destruction. Glad they never released that film because you just know some other idiot would try it and not take the safety precautions that they did. I was standing behind a gentleman on the skeet field, next in line to shoot, when this very thing happened. It was an auto of some kind and blew out just in front of his hand and he got only a scratch from the splintering wood. He had a couple other 20ga carts in the bag so the 20/12 thing seemed like a reasonable explanation. No one bothered to mention how incredibly stupid it was to mix the shells like that.
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WTS, straight grip. So, would a high bird theoretically increase the chance of a stuck wad as well? Well, in a case like that gravity is working against the wad so it doesn't take a rocket surgeon to figure that out
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I don't doubt barrels blow up. We all have seen examples either in person or on the internet. What does surprise me is how much abuse and stupidity they seem able to withstand. If they can withstand some of the stupid reloaders I've seen they are tough indeed. Why is it a man will pay ten grand for a gun then shoot cheapest ammo around or reload crap and shoot it in his nice new gun? Should have bought a cheaper gun and used the savings to buy decent ammo.
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Note however that this was a new shell from a boutique maker known for high quality.
The 20/12 thing is preventable, but people do need to use their head for more than a hat rack.
I was at a charity shoot where the shells were provided. We had nice new Fiocchi shells in both 20 and 12 available IN THE STANDS.
This at a usually well run facility. I've no clue how this was considered a good idea.
We were the second group to shoot. Mind you, this is a hospital benefit shoot with many novice shooters. First group had some idiot woman and the usual 'helpers'.
She loads and calls, her auto goes 'click'. We hear, 'you forgot to load'.
All five of us, in unison, shouted 'STOP'.
Sure enough, she loaded a 20.
That's how accidents happen. It's a chain of errors.
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