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keith agreeing with LD. Its a festivus miracle. Jag should be along shortly to tell us driving his Honda Civic (80 % US/CAN content) to Canada for apple pie makes him more American than Ted with his Ford F-150 (50 % US/CAN content) Baseball, hotdogs, (Canadian) apple pie and Chevrolet! Renegades are built in Melfi, not Turin. ___________________________ A festivus for the rest of us! Frank Costanza https://youtu.be/HX55AzGku5Y
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Argo, I think you may be correct about Ed Good using more than one screen name here. He wouldn't be the only one. And I know he has admitted that he enjoys being a Troll.
Sorry that my confrontations with anti-gun Trolls, liars, and idiots bothers you so much. I really thought that a savant such as yourself would have more tolerance for such things.
Speaking of vomit, what do you call that pretentious "Baluch are not Brahui; Brahui are Baluch" tag-line? Sounds a lot like vomiting to me.
Don't burn yourself while warming your milk.
A true sign of mental illness is any gun owner who would vote for an Anti-Gunner like Joe Biden.
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Canvas, I absolutely understand. As you all know I shot a 1979 870 for 35 years before I was enticed back into the SxS fold...and that old 870 was chambered for 2 3/4 and has no rib and no changeable choke..and son #2 has it now and it will last another 100 years. But he has an extra barrel with changeable chokes (as soon as I had to get out the grinder to correct the modern imperfections at the chamber that led it to jam - as you guys point out...the new Remingtons aren't like the old).
Other son, I gave him a Marine Magnum Remington 870 nickel plated with an extra 28" barrel, chambered for 3"....he does kayaking and trekking up in southern Alaska in a salt-water environment in a mid-latitude rain-forest with Bears...Wrote a line about this.
And for me, the most pleasure I've ever had was shooting my 1898 Reilly hammer gun with 30" Damascus barrels. This is not to denigrate anyone...or any of our guns which are beautiful and useful and workmen like and balance perfectly. It's just to say...those boys don't have the money to own and maintain an old gun...Dau-in-law does but she will only shoot occasionally.
And I guess it's to say a modern Fox isn't an old Fox...but does it pretend to be?
(Uhh...what was my point? 2 scotches sitting in Central Africa at 2130...doesn't lead to coherence.
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Yes, Keith I should get rid of that line ...It's left over from about 45 years ago when I discovered the sub-continent and still think about it (I only spent 10 years out there). I was up in Baluchistan when Daud Khan was overthrow in Kabul on 29 April 1978. The Brahui speak a Dravidian language (now only found in South India) - the Baluch an ancient form of Persian (Indo-European family and directly related to English) but somehow a Brahui became the Khan of Qalat and titular head of the Baluch...and to create a Baluch nation, like a Kurdish nation, you'd need to dismember 3 countries. And I can see how you'd make a totally useless personal-attack post based on that. Tell you what...post something you know about guns. Or do you actually know anything at all?
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[quote=lonesome roads]keith agreeing with LD. Its a festivus miracle.
Jag should be along shortly to tell us driving his Honda Civic (80 % US/CAN content) to Canada for apple pie makes him more American than Ted with his Ford F-150 (50 % US/CAN content)
Baseball, hotdogs, (Canadian) apple pie and Chevrolet!
Renegades are built in Melfi, not Turin.
No, I drive soccer ma mobile in form of Nissan Rogue with eco-friendly four cylinder engine.
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How about this post?
When I do a quick calculation using an average density for steel, the thickness of 60g of metal removed from the diameter of just one bore of these barrels would come to 0.072 thousandths. Meaning a negligible change in wall thickness from proof.
You might want to check your calculation again because .072" is .005" greater than the difference between a 12 gauge and a 16 gauge bore. That is hardly a negligible difference. Or this post? How about the shotguns built by John Nichols or Nichols and Lefever? Or how about this one? That screw with the face spanner holes is one of Lefever's wear compensating features. If your barrels are proud of the action at the breech face, moving that screw probably won't help at all. Some barrels were just struck that way, and some are struck a bit smaller than the breech balls. The compensating screw is only used to put barrels back on face. If the gun is loose, the bolting surfaces are worn, and the early Lefevers had another compensating screw to tighten that up. For later guns, it is easier to just make a new bolt a few thousandths thicker.
Many Lefevers are found with this compensating screw all buggered up because they are usually very difficult or impossible to move after 125 or more years. The later versions had a large screw slot that could withstand more torque, but even those can be very stubborn. I have had some that finally broke free after several months of soaking with good penetrating oil (forget about Kroil for these), heating with a soldering iron, rapid cooling with refrigerant, tapping with a brass rod, etc.
On the few that I have removed, I found a very slight taper to the threads, and I think the female threads also have a very slight taper, so getting them to go much deeper isn't easy anyway. I believe that when the guns were built, the assemblers probably ran the tap in a bit at a time to end up with a tight fit so this screw wouldn't back out. Retired Oregon Lefever Gunsmith Keith Kearcher recommended polishing the threads on a buffing wheel to get them to go a bit deeper. Good luck with finding a replacement screw though, if your buffing wheel grabs it and throws it into some dark corner of your shop. I forget the thread size, but it is most definitely not a standard size that you can simply buy a tap to run into the hole. I noticed that a couple seemed to have a hard black substance that may have been some early version of thread locker compound that prevented any penetrating oil from getting down into the threads. I have a loose I Grade gun on which I never was able to move this screw despite numerous attempts. I keep occasionally hitting it with Tasgon penetrating oil in the hope that it might eventually break free. After two years or so... no luck yet.
I made a face spanner for this type of Lefever compensating screw by drilling properly spaced holes into the end of a piece of drill rod with a small tee handle welded on, and using needle bearings from an old universal joint for my hardened pins. I suppose you could also use the end of the correct size drill bit to make pins. Some people recommend making a face spanner tool by carefully filing pins out of the end of a grade 8 bolt. That seemed like too much work for something that will probably break anyway. Naturally, a couple small pins won't take the same amount of torque that a good screwdriver blade will take, so great care must be taken to not get impatient and do damage to the screw or action knuckle. Or how about this post? You have an early thumb push opener model that was built when E was the lowest grade Lefever. The insert in the tip of the forend would have been made of a dark colored buffalo horn. It will take some care to remove the piece of wood that was used to replace the missing horn tip without doing damage, especially if glue was used in addition to the brads. It looks like your gun still has a lot of original case hardening color on the sideplates. I notice that the forend iron is not attached to the wood, and the forend release and escutcheon is also removed. I hope it isn't missing because finding a replacement would be very difficult. The buttstock appears to have very nice figure and looks to be in pretty nice shape. If you decide to have someone refinish it, make certain it is someone who knows what they are doing. That wood is over 125 years old, and Lefevers tend to crack or split at the head of the stock above and below the sideplates where the thin and fragile wood meets the action. Great care must be taken during any disassembly. It is also for this reason that only low pressure low recoil loads should be used if the barrels are un-pitted and still safe to fire. You may be able to find pictures of the forend checkering when one comes up for sale on Gunbroker or other online source. Or enough of the original pattern may still be seen after stripping the finish for a good stock checkerer to re-cut it exactly as it was originally. Here's a pic of the forend checkering and the horn tip. A good restoration will not be cheap, but a cheap restoration will likely do more harm than good. You would be better off leaving it as is than letting someone screw it up with incorrect techniques and materials. Should I copy more because there is a whole bunch of them. Or is that enough expertise for ya?
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Tre...I humbly admit that I am an amateur. And I recognize that Keith has been acknowledged in the past for his expertise. It's just that since I joined this board less than two years ago...I've seen nothing but rants. And you guys know best. I will shut my mouth and endure.
(oh but I would like to see the old Keith...kind of like an old Fox...back.)
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Well, he tears into those idiots because he doesn't suffer fools, I reckon.
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It's the internet Tre...you don't change anybody's mind on anything except by expertise. And thanks for the background....everyone says Keith knows his stuff...he's just wandered off the face of doublegundom since I've been around and I have a thirst for knowledge on this subject. And you can get political opinions from your local drunks in a bar.
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Believe me Argo, if you would have seen the old 'Ed' with the utter nonsense he was spewing you would be pissed at him also. Everybody else was.
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